Joeri van OrmondtAbout the Author:

Joeri van Ormondt, MSc, SLT, CESS-certified stuttering specialist from The Netherlands, owns private practice De Stotterpraktijk, specialised in stuttering and cluttering. He is a person who stutters. He co-founded Stotterconnect, an organization dedicated to Camp Dream. Speak. Live. and the training of SLT’s.

The last few years I have been scared. Scared to open up about stuttering. Scared to say something about my own journey with stuttering. But only in a specific situation: among fellow SLT stuttering specialists. With all of them? No, absolutely not, there are shades to this. This summer, I found out—in two acts—what makes the difference for me; and how people who stutter would benefit from a change in our profession.

Act 1

I was asked to take part in a panel discussion at an international conference for SLTs to talk about my personal journey with stuttering. The conference was nice, well organized, and had different perspectives represented. Yet the question triggered so many thoughts and emotions. As is so often the case with stuttering, it was because of my lived experience. In the past, I’ve had colleagues say (out of nowhere) to me: “realise that not everybody stutters the way you do”, “your journey is different from other people’s journeys”, “because you stutter you are biased”, and “you have too much personal involvement”. If they had observed me conducting therapy and afterwards told me that, that would be one thing, but they told me this based solely on the fact that I stutter. And that is stigma. Stigma within some parts of the professional field, where at the same time we are trying to help people who stutter get rid of stigma.

The stigma became self-stigma. Telling an audience of professionals about my journey, I figured, would give them something to come back at me over what I advocate for regarding therapy preferences and stuttering pride. The question is: is there actually (self-)stigma or am I oversensitive? I remembered a story from an SLT who has a child who stutters and gets the same reactions. At the same conference Mandy Rodstrum, an SLT who stutters, gave her keynote about roughly this topic. So that’s two other experiences. To be sure, I reached out to some other SLTs who stutter. Some told me they had not experienced this to the same extent. However, quite a few comparable stories came in: being warned that their experience does not apply to everybody. Or that it is easy for them to talk about acceptance, because they are perceived as not stuttering very much. Some colleagues feel like they have to be very careful about how they talk about their own experience with stuttering in professional settings. Some just avoid it. In journalism, when three sources point in the same direction, there is a story to be told. Reaching out already gave me way more than three indications that it does not always feel safe to be your full self.

Act 2

Fast forward to the second conference I attended this summer, Stammafest. Being there made me realize, “Hey, had the panel been here, I’d feel different.” I even tested it during the Open Mic. What’s the difference? Although Stammafest is focused on people who stutter, there are also lots of SLTs there. Both conferences are open to a broad spectrum of views. “Stammafest is all about connecting with your ‘tribe’,” says the booklet. During the conference I met several SLTs; they all told me: “I’m looking for ways to improve my approach to therapy. I’m here to learn.” And of course, that’s it! The SLTs came to learn from people who stutter. They not only want to hear from clients who come to them because they experience difficulties or negative impact, but also actively seek out people who are in a good place with their stuttering. Some colleagues might have the impression that it’s only people who embrace stuttering pride. But it’s not. The full spectrum of opinions is present.

Being there makes me wonder: where would an SLT, whether new or experienced, learn more? An environment built around lived experience, or, like some stuttering therapy courses, an environment shaped by top-down theory and recommendations for assessment and therapy?

Scared

I am not scared anymore, thanks to those strong voices. Seeing Mandy’s strong keynote, attending Stammafest, and reading a colleague describe how they feel they have to walk on eggshells in professional settings while still sharing their personal stories, made a difference. I have heard about SLTs who stutter leaving the field, and that’s such a waste. Let’s speak up more, and create that snowball effect for other SLTs who stutter and want to speak up too.

This is a call-out to all SLTs, whether they stutter or not. Reflect on whether you are on an island: Have your views on stuttering changed in the last 10–15 years? Do you regularly talk to people who are in a good place with their stuttering and/or do you attend community-driven* events? Do you consider concepts like little-t trauma, micro-aggression and ableism relevant to stuttering therapy? Have you participated in workshops on aspects of stuttering you are less familiar with, such as identity, stigma, representation, neurodiversity-affirming therapy, intersectionality, pride, or privilege? Do you believe that stuttering can genuinely add something positive to a person’s life? Has your therapy, teaching, or research changed substantially in the last 10–15 years?

Paradigm shift

If you answered “no” to several of those reflection questions, help change the field for the better. There really is a paradigm shift happening that you might be missing out on. “Change how?” you might wonder. I think therapy, teaching and research (and the people working in these fields) as a whole should be heading towards a strong, ongoing, and ever-evolving collaboration with the community: with people who stutter. Two decades ago, therapy was mostly professional-led, with little connection to the lived experiences of people who stutter. Some now argue that the community should take the lead entirely, making SLTs obsolete. I believe the way forward lies somewhere in between: a genuine and equal collaboration between professionals and the stuttering community, where lived experience is truly incorporated into therapy, teaching and research.

Become a true ally. Let go of the myth that stuttering and other ways of talking orbit around fluency. Go to a community-driven event. Just reach out.

*Examples: Stammafest, Stamily Youth Exchange, Friends, NSA-events, etc.

Many thanks to colleagues that shared their story, and to the people who proofread the draft: Anne Bakker, Femke de Smit and Mandy Rodstrom.

The framing of being “scared”, as well as the “orbit around fluency” metaphor, was inspired by Anne Hathaway’s speech at the 2018 HRC National Dinner.

  • ChatGPT was used for spelling and grammar checks, since English is not my native language.

Joeri van Ormondt on stage at STAMMAfest 2026

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When Good Professional Intentions Still Leave Room For Stigma – Joeri van Ormondt — 61 Comments

  1. I’m pleased that you found the experience at Stammafest comfortable. However, if “the community should take the lead” then what about communities such as the McGuire Programme, or other groups who want to stutter less or even remove stuttering entirely? Should they take the lead as well?

    Such groups are in many ways the opposite of what is promoted at Stammafest, yet they are also people who stutter who believe earnestly in the paths they have chosen. Who should SLTs listen to? How can we make things equitable for all people who stutter, and not just the ones we happen to agree with?

    • Dear Max,
      Thanks for your reply.
      I think it’s always important to be in touch with all voices or opinions. A core skill of an SLT is (or: should be) shared decision making. To do that properly both SLT and client should be informed about different options.
      As I was trying to say in the article, I think not the profession nor the community should take the lead. It’s about the joint effort. Where all opinions matter just as much; whether you’re seeking stuttering pride or fluency shaping, and everything in between. Key is, I think, to be informed on pros and cons on all options; so the person who stutters can go on their path, step by step, going back and forth, left and right. All is good, it is your path.

    • You imply that StammaFest promotes acceptance of stammering. This is not true.
      Stamma is a broad church. It lists the McGuire Programme on their website. Empowering Voices, which uses the McGuire technique, ran a workshop at StammaFest.
      SLTs do not listen to McGuire, perhaps because the central premise of his technique – that fear causes stammering – is not true. I also do not think that some of his statements about the workings of the diaphragm are true either. Remember that McGuire learnt all he knows about the diaphragm from the Del Ferro Institute – who currently claim that you can achieve fluency in one day!
      There is nothing inherently wrong with wanting to stop stammering or wanting to stammer less.
      This is recognised in the ISA Declaration of the Right to stutter – “as individuals we may wish, or even try” (to overcome our stutter).
      I have wanted to stop stuttering all my life using avoidance – and have failed miserably! I would have been better accepting it?

      • Tim – Although both organisations represent people who stutter, their messaging is inconsistent. For example:

        • Slogans: Stamma has “It’s how we talk”, McGuire has “Beyond Stuttering”.

        • Homepage: Stamma has “We Make Space For Stammering. We Celebrate Different Voices”, McGuire has “Struggling with Stuttering? Take Control of Your Speech Today”

        These perspectives on stammering are opposed.

        What would an organisation look like that represents everyone who stammers? How can activism be equitable?

        • Stamma represents all people who stutter. The McGuire Programme only represents its own graduates. Their messaging is naturally going to be inconsistent.
          Stamma’s perspective on stammering is that society should have more understanding, and less prejudice and discrimination. Stamma has no perspective on how any individual deals with their own stammer.
          The McGuire Programme’s perspective about stammering is that it should be overcome, as an opponent or enemy of the individual. As far as I am aware it has no social perspective.

          I am not sure that any organisation can represent ALL people who stammer. I think there are flaws in the current concept of a broad church or the ‘stammering community’ in general. What does a proud exponent of open stammering have in common with a graduate of the McGuire Programme. The successful McGuire graduate does not need representing in society because he has achieved fluency. The successful open stammerer does need representing in society and protecting from still existent misunderstanding, prejudice and discrimination.

          I sometimes find Stamma messaging confusing. Perhaps this is because they promote acceptance of stammering to society, yet recognise that all people who stammer do not want to accept their own stammer. Perhaps the answer could be three organisations – one for affirmers, one for deniers and one for inbetweeners!

          • Thanks Tim, I agree with a lot of what you’re saying. This includes the comments about the McGuire therapy programme – it can be great for some, but I’d strongly recommend that anyone who stutters consults with an accredited SLT before considering user-led stuttering intensives of this nature. However, the desire for such intensives is instructive. It suggests that, for some people, their needs aren’t being met by the SLT services available to them. This warrants attention from anyone concerned about the welfare of those who stutter.

            It’s worth noting that Stamma does not represent all people who stutter. Its membership is 500,000 adults who stutter. Thus it can claim to represent at most 1% of people who stutter – actually less, since many members are SLTs or parents.

            Stamma promotes itself as the UK’s national stuttering charity. As such, it has a responsibility to at least attempt to be representative of all who stutter, which I think is what you were getting at. As I’ve described, its messaging does not meet its stated aim of being a “broad church”. It did better with messaging when it was the British Stammering Association, since treatment of opposing viewpoints was more even-handed.

            A national organisation representing those who stutter should be inclusive of the very wide range of attitudes they hold. In choosing to focus on the “successful open stammerer [that the charity proposes] does need representing in society”, Stamma can leave many who stutter under-represented or, worse, misrepresented.

            • Edit: I meant to write that the Stamma membership is at most 5,000 of the 500,000 adults who stutter in the UK. If Stamma had a membership of 500,000 PWS we would be having a totally different conversation !!!

            • I think the membership is more like 5,000!
              I think they can only represent the members they have – which are growing.
              I understand your perceptions but don’t agree with them all. I think they are trying to be a broad church inclusive of costal breathers. There could be a misperception that they are a woke/pc organisation.

              • Tim – I think our messages crossed, lol!

                The Stamma membership grew very quickly in its early years. However, that was driven by them cleaning out their database and requiring everyone to re-register. I think Stamma membership has been fairly static in recent years, about as many joining per year as are lost due to attrition.

                In some ways, Stamma provides a useful case study – refocussing campaign messaging towards a social model of stuttering did not uncover a large untapped demand for social model portrayals of stuttering. Rather, membership remained ~1% of adults who stutter, similar to with the old British Stammering Association messaging. Compared to other countries I suspect this might be universal – perhaps only about 1% of those who stutter are seeking out others who stutter at any point in time.

                In advocacy, my main concern is those experiencing distress or disadvantage due to stuttering. Some of them find support in stuttering communities, but most people who stutter never engage with those communities, and those who are struggling among them are reached mainly through public messaging. For them, messaging can be critical. It would be great if Stamma pursued a genuinely “broad church” messaging strategy, but that would look quite different from its current campaigns.

      • Hi Tim! I agree about the ‘broad church’, that why I wrote: “The full spectrum of opinions is present”. I think it’s important to recognise that whatever works for you works! Thanks for sharing your thoughts!

  2. Hi Joeri,
    As an SLT who does not stutter, I learned so much from my clients and from the conferences with people who stutter I attended. I learned the most when I was talking to people who stutter. As you say in your comment to Max Gattie: it is about joint effort, but listening to the real experts (the people who stutter), I learned to listen even more and addapt the shades of therapy to the indvidual wishes and needs of the person that is sitting infront of me.
    I can imagine it can be hard to let go of your own opinions and experiences as an SLT who stutters as well, but it is so encridubly valuable to everyone to share them.

  3. Hi Joeri

    Thank you for writing this important paper. I was with you at both conferences, and, although I am not an SLT, I completely understand your position.

    You ask: “where would an SLT, whether new or experienced, learn more? ” Again, having been at both conferences, I have no doubt at all that an SLT would learn more at a conference of the STAMMAFest type. That is not to say that there is no room for academic conferences: of course there is. Also, there are many “shades” of academics and researchers, such those who interact with our community and those who hold themselves separate.

    I really value those SLTs who do not stutter who attend both types of conferences when they are able to. Many of them are treasured mutual friends of ours. I attend both types when I am able to. Together, we discuss and we learn.

    Your experience reminds me of one of my own: at an ISAD event in 2019 where I hosted a public screening and discussion of “When I Stutter”, I was asked whether a PWS can be an SLT. I answered in the affirmative, of course. Just as a physically disabled person can be an orthopedic doctor, a PWS can be an SLT. one non-stuttering researcher and SLT stated that, no, that is not possible. One first needs to “fix” oneself before helping others. And therein lies the problem: the belief in certain circles that stuttering has to be fixed. That said, stuttering is complex and there are aspects that are simply a part of us and other aspects that result from stigma, fear, and shame. The latter can be understood and sometimes we can let go of the struggle that results from them, and we can stutter more easily, more naturally, in fact. I know that I am not writing anything new to you.

    I am really sorry that you experience that absence of safety in some settings. If you can, please continue to attend those events and to speak up. When I can, I will be there with you. Your message is important, and the way you express your message is invaluable. You invite and enable discussion.

    Thank you
    Hanan

    • Hi Hanan,

      Thanks so much for you extensive reply and thoughts! I’ll try to reply to everything you’re saying:

      I agree, professional conferences are really important too. For arguments sake I made the difference between the two a bit bigger, to get my point across. But I do underline the importance of professional conferences as well. We learn everywhere, as you say, and a broad range of conferences really helps to sharpen your mind!

      That’s -unfortanately- a great example of what I meant to say in the article. In some circles the focus on fixing still comes first; mostly a bit hidden in the minds of people. Luckily lots and lots of SLT’s think differently, or starting to think differently.

      It’s always great to have you by my side, and yes, I will keep speaking up. Not always easy, but I find it important; as long as it enables discussion. Thank you so much for acknowledging that it does!

  4. Joeri, thank you for writing this valuable piece. I really appreciated the questions you challenged SLTs to consider, like whether our thinking about stuttering continues to evolve, whether we are learning from community spaces, and whether issues like stigma, ableism, identity, trauma, and neurodiversity are part of how we think about our work. It’s really discouraging to hear that your lived experience has sometimes been treated as a source of “bias” rather than a great asset that adds to your professional expertise. For those of us who are SLPs/SLTs who don’t stutter, what do you think we can do to help create spaces where colleagues who stutter feel more able to bring their full perspectives and experiences into the conversation?

    • Hi Zeb,
      Thanks so much for your kind words!
      I think the safe space or equal space comes naturally for SLT’s who think from a stutter affirming perspective. We do however know that not all colleagues think that way and/or disagree. More in general it would be good if someone notices prejudices with themselves, try to be open for what the other says. Ask, listen; and most of all: don’t think you know how ‘the world’ works and you have to ‘explain’ that to people.

  5. Hi, Joeri. I’m an SLT undergraduate student, and taking a look at your own stutter and the thoughts of SLTs and their own stutter completely amazes me. As with many communities, a person who stutters has had varying experiences; therefore, there are also differing ideas about how one should feel about their stutter. It’s valuable to see one of the many shades of perspectives!

    Your question: “Do you believe that stuttering can genuinely add something positive to a person’s life?” was a standout for sure. What do you think about that question? How should a SLT student bring this conversation into their assessment when they encounter a patient who stutters?

    • Hi!
      It’s such good news that it amazes you! It is my experience with students in my country, a stuttering affirming way of thinking comes natural to them, as a field we’re moving towards incredible times in a couple of years!

      It would be insteresting to ask during assessment whether the client things there is something positive to stuttering. For most people the list will be not so long (and that is okay!); but later on in therapy this would be amazing to explore

  6. As an SLP graduate student, I’m still learning how to support each client’s individual goals. How can clinicians support a client who wants greater fluency while also helping them feel comfortable with their stuttering?

    • Hi there!
      The question is: what do they mean with greater fluency? If it is to get rid of stuttering, then I don’t see the option to combine this with feeling comfortable. It is one or the other to me. However if they get to point that they feel comfortable it is possible to do less; so secondary behaviours disappear and the stuttering might (might!!!) get less intense. Doing less to hide or shorten stuttering. I’d recommend to look into the ARTS approach for this part. All the best with college!

  7. Thanks for sharing your experiences with stuttering. From attending conferences, what was your experience like meeting other people who stutter? How has hearing about others’ experience shaped how you approach treatment?

    • Hi!
      It is amazing to be among so many people who stutter. It shows all the shades of stuttering; and also important to hear how people think of their stuttering; and approach it. It learns me even more to keep asking questions to client about what they want; what is the question behind the question for help. What do they want in live

  8. Thank you for sharing your experience being a SLT and a person who stutters. I am currently in SLP graduate school taking a fluency class. I am curious what advice you have for future SLPs for in the area of stuttering treatment and counseling?

    • Thanks for your question. I think the main thing is to look into the neurodiversity movement (within stuttering and broader). Most students I meet already have a lot of working knowledge of this, more than some teachers have. Stick to your gut feeling about it and keep asking question about what you are taught. If it does not align with you feeling about neurodiversity, look into places like this website or The Blank Center.
      The fact that your class is called a ‘fluency class’, makes me wonder… 😉
      So good that you are browsing this website! Keep up the good work!

  9. I am a current SLP graduate student, and want to know how I can help change the field for the better? How can I work on eliminating stigma and making my future clients who stutter feel comfortable and empowered?

    • I also loved hearing about your experience and I think stories like yours are valuable in the field and deserve to be told.

    • Hi Holly, thanks for you beautiful question! I think eliminating stigma starts within our own field. You asking this question already is a (huge) step in eliminating stigma. I think the if an SLT’s truly thinks that stuttering is a different way of talking* (and not a defect or disorder), you are for over 50% there. It all comes down to that. And then see what you can do for the client to reach all goals they want to with their way of talking. Accepting and/or embracing will make a big part of therapy, with an unconditional thinking of: stuttering is part of me.

      *credit to the Blank Center for this line

  10. Hi Joeri, thank you for sharing your experiences. SLPs can definitely learn so much from people who stutter. What advice would you give a graduate student who wants to speak up when someone’s experience is dismissed as “biased” because they stutter?

    • Hi mshundo, wow what a beautiful question of what might have been a very sad experience. I got this reaction a couple of times. In essence it is discrimination and the question itself is biased. Why would a students who stutter be biased? How do you know? It is more likely that the student is very much aware of this risk and is much more thinking about it, then someone else. So the student will become the better therapist, just because of that!
      And, isn’t everyone biased. You bring everything you have experienced or think to the table. Someone who calls you biased thinks they already know you, just because you stutter. I would not want such a person as a therapist, because, what else would they be biased in? The people that said that to me were all old-school therapists, who really get angry if you’d say a paradigm shift is happening in our field, or the micro-aggresions are there.

      My advise to that student: listen to all the other SLT’s that do NOT think you are biased. They are with way more, allies to people who stutter. Interested in your experiences as a therapist AND a person who stutter!

  11. Hi Joeri! I appreciate how you challenged SLPs to get involved and actively break down the barriers that contribute to stigmatization. From the comments, it looks like many of your readers (myself included) are students studying to become SLPs. It is interesting to see how your advocacy is impacting the future of the field of speech-language pathology! Thank you for sharing!

  12. Hi Joeri, thank you for sharing your personal experiences and highlighting how stigma can exist even within the SLP profession. As an SLP graduate student, I appreciate your emphasis on learning directly from people who stutter and recognizing the value of their lived experiences. Your article reminded me of the importance of having a collaborative and individualized approach to therapy.

  13. Hi Joeri, it was interesting to hear how differently both crowds responded to your conference presentations. Do you feel like talking in front of a conference of SLPs versus PWS creates increased anxiety and triggers your stutter when presenting?

    • Hi Magdalena,
      For me it is not so much anxiety, it is more frustration that not all SLT’s ‘get it’. That they are -although with the best intentions- are keeping stigma alive.
      Stuttering intensity comes and goes. That is just a certainty when you stutter; that does not matter much to me.

  14. Thank you for sharing your thoughts, experiences, and advice in this article! I loved how you pointed out the importance of listening to the community, including a spectrum of experiences, opinions, and acceptance levels.

  15. Hi! I was wondering what advice you have for clinicians on how to be more mindful of the language they use when interacting with individuals who stutter to ensure they are creating a supportive environment?

    • Hi! It is so great that you want to be mindful of language. It is SO important, it shapes therapy and the thinking of a client. What I got from collegues sometimes is “We cannot say anything anymore”. I always say: you can say whatever you like, however you are very much sending a message with that. Up to you what message you want to send 😉
      If you want to be mindful, change the word ‘stuttering’ (or equivalent) to for example autism, ADHD. Would you still say it like that, or does it it makes my hair stand on end? Then you cannot say it for stuttering either.

  16. Hello Joeri, I want to mention that your article is insightful to viewers with stutters and without stutters. As a SLP graduate student, I was curious if you continue to present at conferences?

    • Nice question! I do it all the time! I give courses, speak on conferences. I love to do this! Mostly it is about giving therapy (teaching); but after this article it might also be on this topic 😉

  17. Hi Joeri, thank you so much for sharing your experience! I’m a future SLP, and I want to ensure I create a safe environment for my future clients. How can I, as a clinician, ensure I’m not unintentionally contributing to internalized stigma for my clients and colleagues? I hope to create a safe and supportive environment!

    • Thank you so much for making sure you will create a safe space!
      Reading this article and thinking about it is a great start! There are many resources in the stuttering pride and/or neurodiversity/stuttering affirming therapy part of our SLT-world. I’m thinking or examples like: SPACE, FRIENDS, Blank Center, ARTS/Sisskin, Stuttering Commons, STAMMA, NSA, Stutterology, @juststutter (instagram), and many many more! I’m probably forgetting most of them 😀
      Go to their events, read there socials, article etc etc! And then you’ll be absolutely fine!

  18. Thank you, Joeri, for sharing your experiences and perspectives on issues currently facing SLT professional practice. Before reading your article, I assumed SLP spaces were among the few atmospheres free of stigmatizing comments; however, I now see that this assumption was inaccurate. I am grateful that you were comfortable enough to share your story and shed light on these issues, as it expanded my understanding of stigma, what it can look like, where it can occur, and who it can be directed toward.

  19. Hi Joeri, I appreciated reading about your experience. When other speech therapists made comments like, “your journey is different from other people’s journeys,” what do you think they meant by that? Did they mean to suggest that you stutter less than other people who stutter, or you have managed it more effectively, or just have a different perspective?

    • Hi Sophia, great question!!
      I think what they meant was the assumption that I would think that everybody experiences stuttering the way I do. and that what (in therapy) worked for me will work for everyone who stutters.
      Which actually is quite ironic; people who said that to me are themselves doing the same stuff in therapy for decades 😀

  20. Hi Joeri,

    Thank you for sharing your experiences. I imagine that many people who stutter have had speech therapy experiences from SLPs who have stigmatized their stutter. As a future SLP, what are good things to keep in mind or ask my clients about the stigma they might have experienced working with other therapists? I feel that it’s important for me to know if a client has had an experience like this before so I can communicate that it’s something that won’t be repeated in our therapy and create a supportive environment.

    • Wow, amazing question Elise!
      I sure no SLT (not even one) wants to increase stigma. Everyone works with the absolute best intentions to help people who stutter. However, therapy approaches and thinking about stuttering have significantly changed the last 1 to 2 decades. If a client worked on stuttering modification (or fluency shaping, but that one is more obvious), I think there is quite a chance that there also is stigma. Maybe not in plain sight, but between the lines. So I would asked what previous therapy consisted of. Further, if you ask a client about their stuttering, you’ll quite easily get a hang of potential self-stigma.
      I discuss with my clients concepts like quality of life, participation in society; that kind of big stuff. And how to get to a point where you can do that WITH stuttering. Not reaching that goal by stuttering less or “easier” (as stuttering modification is often unrightfully called). It is doing more, and a clients already has so many tricks. You want to do less. Not worry about stuttering, just keep talking and not caring about the way you talk.

  21. Joeri, I appreciate you sharing about your experiences and what you have learned in the different spaces where you find yourself, both personally and professionally. I agree with you on the importance of “genuine and equal collaboration between professionals and the stuttering community, where lived experience is truly incorporated into therapy, teaching and research.” Much food for thought!

    • Thanks so much!
      It is interesting to have a mix of the ‘textbooks’ and the voice of the stuttering community, and find a balance in that!

  22. Hi Joeri!

    Thank you for sharing such an important perspective. As a graduate SLP student, I found your article particularly thought-provoking because I had not fully considered how stigma could exist within the very profession dedicated to supporting people who stutter.

    Your discussion about professionals learning directly from the stuttering community really resonated with me. We can study assessment tools, intervention strategies, and research, but I believe listening to individuals’ lived experiences is equally important in becoming an effective clinician.

    As someone who is both a person who stutters and a stuttering specialist, what advice would you give graduate students who want to ensure they are developing an accepting, collaborative, and person-centered approach to fluency intervention from the very beginning of their careers?

    Thank you for challenging me to reflect on my own assumptions and continue growing as a professional!

  23. Hi Tanya,
    Thanks so much for your kind words!
    My nr 1 advise to go to conferences made for people who stutter, like the NSA or an equivalent in your country. Second, keep the Blank Center slogan in the back of your head: stuttering is a way of talking. Talking (and therefor intervention) is not about fluency (which, I think, is impossible to define), but about having fun, being able to say everything you want to say.

  24. Mr. van Ormondt, thank you for sharing this. As an SLP graduate student who stutters, I resonate with your questioning of whether we are changing our perspectives to consider stuttering in all of its dimensions, including identity and social quality of life. I agree that theory is important to consider alongside the experiences of people who stutter, but a theory is just that – a hypothesis supported by evidence (not created from nothing). Therapy and assessment should still be guided by what we know and can prove, as well as the goals of our clients. A collaborative relationship between SLPs and the stuttering community is possible, and probably the best possible outcome.

    • Dear trevorp, I couldn’t agree more. Thanks so much for your kind words and hope to see you in the community some day! We really need more SLT’s who stutter, so hope you have an excellent experience as a grad student!

  25. Thank you for sharing your experience for so many to hear. People who stutter deserve to feel safe sharing their stories, especially within the profession. Your reflection is a reminder that meaningful care requires listening, questioning our assumptions, and valuing lived experience. Clinical knowledge is not enough we must surround ourselves with meaningful experiences. Creating space for different journeys can only strengthen our work.

  26. Hi Joeri

    Thank you for your openness. An SLT who stutters can see stuttering from different angles, both when it comes to personal experiences as well as treatment and research. When I read about an SLT saying “you have too much personal involvement”, I almost fell of my chair. How can it be wrong for a clinician to be involved??

    I’m so happy you’re coming to events for and by PWS as well, also to the YE. Because, as you say, and as the many questions to the PWS/PWC panels show, stepping away from the text book and talking to the people themselves, shows you want to learn more about people’s shades. And what better opportunity is there but to meet us, not as SLT vs PWS/PWC, but as people who want to learn from each other.

    There is this project in my village where teens and 60+ are invited to crochet/knit. This helps to talk to each other, learn more about each other, whiping away assumptions, help each other to understand their different generations, and just enjoy each other’s company through laughter. I wish this for any clinician and client, to find a place to meet where you’re not in your box, but just mingling, learning from each other.

    I’ve been to events for and by clinicians. Sure, PWS too are invited, but unfortunately I’ve not had good experiences. I’ve been told to literally stop talking, I’ve been ignored with my questions, and clearly felt I had nothing to do there, as I was “just” a PWS. Even at the first European Clinician event in Belgium there were no PWS being speakers. So I asked to every time have at least one speaker who stutters. Nothing about us, without us. I was invited as a speaker and met so many student SLPs who never met a PWS! Here they could ask me any questions which was much appreciated. By the students at least…

    We, PWS/PWC love to have SLT’s coming to our events. Also parents, family members, friends and neighbors. And we hope more SLP events will be open to PWS. Not just as “you’re ok to come”, but to also feel involved, included, seen and heard. As that’s how we all learn: by meeting in person (and online of course), being open to each other’s many shades. We have a lot more work to do, as together we have pieces of the puzzle, and you have two. 😉

    Keep (them) talking

    Anita

    • Hi Anita,

      It’s so good to have met on several events!
      There really is (luckily not everywhere!) a gap between research and the lived experience; and what clients nee din therapy. Only when you see clients yourself and are able to incorporate new ideas into therapy and the wider community you can be the best researcher, teacher, clinician I think.
      We as ‘the community’ also have a role in that: to be as open as can be for everyone. Sometimes we can improve a bit on that part too. It really has to come from both sides I think!

      Thanks for your kind words!

      Joeri