mertzAbout the author: Pamela Mertz is a person who stutters who is very active in the stuttering community. She is a Stutter Social host, writes the blog “Make Room For the Stuttering” and hosts the podcast “Women Who Stutter: Our Stories”. She has presented workshops on stuttering both regionally and nationally, and has spoken at three international stuttering events. Pam is also a 9-year Toastmaster and has achieved Distinguished Toastmaster (DTM) status. Pam works full time in a high school in the Albany, NY area as a recruiter and outreach specialist, spending most of her time doing public speaking presentations. In 2016, Pam was elected to the National Stuttering Association (USA) Board of Directors and also the International Stuttering Association Board of Directors, serving as Secretary.

The theme of this year’s ISAD conference is stuttering pride – respect, dignity, recognition. In this paper, I talk about the deep pride I feel about being part of the stuttering community. I am proud of the many accomplishments that I have had in my life that are directly related to the fact that I stutter. This paper examines what if I suddenly didn’t stutter. I would greatly miss the respect and dignity that being part of the community brings and the recognition that stuttering brings me.

What If I Woke Up Tomorrow and No Longer Stuttered?

I am a person who stutters. I have been stuttering since I was 5 years old. It’s basically all I know about communicating with others. Sometimes my voice shakes, quivers or tries to eke out a sound, but nothing comes out. Sometimes, I repeat words or syllables or prolong sounds. I’m very used to my stuttering and most people who know me well are also very used to my stuttering. I’m open with my speech and will often advertise to others who don’t know I stutter.

I am very active in the stuttering community. I found the National Stuttering Association (of the United States) in 2006 and went to my first annual conference. I haven’t missed one since, just recently having attended my 11th consecutive conference. At my second conference, I presented on a panel about covert stuttering, and have presented workshops at every conference since then. I have also presented at two international events. I have spoken via Skype twice at the Irish Stammering Association’s annual one day conferences, once as the Keynote Speaker. And I helped to facilitate a women’s workshop at the 2013 World Congress for People Who Stutter in The Netherlands, again via Skype.

I started writing about stuttering on a blog called “Make Room For The Stuttering” (www.stutterrockstar.com) in 2009 and 7 years later, am still going strong, writing at least weekly about some aspect of stuttering, either generally or how it specifically affects my life. And in 2010 I started a podcast for women who stutter called “Women Who Stutter: Our Stories.” I have interviewed more than 160 women from over 30 different countries around the world. This work makes me so happy.

I have also been a Stutter Social host for more than 3 years where I get to facilitate conversations about stuttering with people from all over the world through Google Hangout technology. It is so humbling to be part of the moment when someone just finds the stuttering community and finds themselves in a hangout meeting and talking with others who stutter for the first time.

I feel proud to be a part of such a vibrant community. I blogged earlier in the year about being part of a tribe, and loving it. For the stuttering community is really a tribe of likeminded individuals who share a common connection and come together with a common goal.

Earlier this year, I am proud to say, I was elected to serve on the Board of Directors of the National Stuttering Association and the International Stuttering Association. I am going to help further the goals of the stuttering community and help the world better understand stuttering.

When I wrote my piece about being part of a tribe, I posted it on Facebook and got an interesting comment from a friend of mine. Lisa wrote:

“This may seem kind of odd, but as someone who is SO part of the stuttering tribe, I’d be interested to hear your thoughts on what you would do if you woke up tomorrow and suddenly there was no stutter. How would that affect your world? I know it’s kind of an oddball question, but it’s something I’ve been thinking about a little. If tomorrow there was no stutter, would I start doing anything differently? Would I be different?”

Her questions really made me stop and pause to think and reflect on what would I do if suddenly I woke up one day and didn’t stutter. The first thing that came to mind was: “would I be kicked out of the stuttering community?” That would be the hardest to deal with as the community has become an integral part of my life.  I don’t eat, drink and sleep stuttering, but I think about it every day and definitely talk to at least one other person who stutters at least once every day.

Having a community to identify with is a huge part of what makes us human. If you think back to your high school or college days, we learned about “Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs.” Feeling a sense of belonging is one of the basic needs of humanity. Belonging can be described as friendships, love and intimacy. That is what I get from being an active part of the stuttering community. I have made many friends from around the world that I wouldn’t have met if I didn’t stutter. Many of these people I have come to love, as we have spent time together and gotten to know each other well over many years.

And intimacy is part of the stuttering experience. People who stutter have intimate conversations with each other, just by the very nature of stuttering itself. We are exposed and vulnerable when we stutter – be it blocks or repetitions. We often hold eye contact with each other longer than we would with someone who doesn’t stutter, and hold hands longer while shaking hands, while we patiently wait for the person to finish speaking. Being present with someone in conversation – with eye contact, hand contact and active listening – is a very intimate part of communication.

If I suddenly didn’t stutter anymore, I’d still want to be part of the stuttering community. Maybe I’d be known as a recovered stutterer, with the memories and experiences of stuttering still very much ingrained in my brain. I don’t think almost 50 years’ experience with stuttering is suddenly going to quickly go away. I would still have the empathy and great listening that I’ve developed over the years. I would still have the desire to have intimate conversations and relationships with people who stutter.

This makes me think of the alcoholic community. People who are alcoholics enter into the “Alcoholics Anonymous” community looking for identity and fellowship. Recovered alcoholics stay involved in the community for years. A family member of mine has been sober for more than 35 years and is very actively involved in the alcoholic community. I think there is a positive, valued role for recovered alcoholics in their community and likewise, I think recovered stutterers could also have such a role.

My friend asked me if I would behave any differently if I suddenly didn’t stutter any more. I’d like to think that I wouldn’t. I have been shaped by my stuttering experiences, both good and bad, into the person that I am. Just because I might not stutter anymore wouldn’t make me any less of a sensitive, patient, empathetic human being who values real connection with people and intimate relationships.

I remember an interview given by Drew Lynch, a young guy who was featured on the reality TV show, “America’s Got Talent,” about two years ago. Drew had always dreamed of being an actor but a freak accident dashed those hopes. While playing softball, he was hit in the throat with a ball, knocked down and suffered a concussion. He also started stuttering as a result of this accident. He decided to take his chances as a comedian and auditioned on the TV show and did so well that he finished in second place. He has since traveled to perform in comedy halls across the country, making fun of his stuttering (not stuttering in general) as part of his comedy routine.

In an interview, Drew said that before he started stuttering, he wasn’t the type of guy who would hang out with someone that stutters. That he could be a jerk and insensitive to differences. Now that he stutters, he thinks he is a much better person.

I’ve never been a jerk towards people with differences and from a young age can remember always wanting to help people. That is why I chose to study social work in college and have worked in a helping profession for more than 30 years.

I don’t think I’d be a different person if I didn’t stutter but I might view my role in the stuttering community a bit differently. I’d want to make sure that people who stutter would truly be OK with me still being part of the community. I’d ask them and be upfront that I used to stutter and perhaps might have useful wisdom to share with others on different parts of their stuttering journeys.

So to my fiend Lisa, thank you for asking such thought provoking questions. Thank you for giving me pause to really understand how actively involved in the stuttering community I really am. I would be heartbroken if I was no longer part of this tribe of wonderful conversationalists who go deeper when communicating and who contribute empathy and intimacy to a world that talks too fast and doesn’t always listen with care. I look forward to the day when fluent people say, “I wish I stuttered too!”

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What If I Woke Up Tomorrow and No Longer Stuttered? (Pamela Mertz) — 122 Comments

  1. Hello Pamela,

    Thank you for this wonderful article and such a thought provoking question! I enjoyed reading about how the stuttering community has shaped your life and who you are today. I think this really speaks to the theme of stuttering pride and dignity. It’s incredibly interesting to hear your perspective of people who stutter as conversationalists who go deeper when communicating by contributing empty to each other. I

    Cassie

    • Thanks Cassie. Indeed the stuttering community has really helped shape me into the person I’ve become. Interacting with people with such empathy and ability to connect with others on a deep and intimate level really rubs off!
      -Pam

  2. Pamela,
    As a person who does not stutter I am so grateful for your writing. It has opened my eyes to the community that is available for PWS. It is amazing that there is a support system for those who would like to take advantage of it. I feel like those of us who don’t stutter can learn so much about simple human interaction from what you said. I feel like the negative experiences that PWS report are with people who lack sensitivity, patience, and empathy as you said in your paper.
    Ben

    • Hi Ben,
      Thanks for reading and commenting. Yes, I agree that people who don’t stutter can learn so much about the human condition by interacting with those of us who stutter. Deep listening, intimacy and empathy are part of what makes us able to connect so well with other.
      -Pam

  3. Greetings Pamela,
    I appreciate your commitment to help empower PWS, especially women who stutter. As a woman, I feel that we must support each other, shower one another with encouragement, and that we must create safe spaces to express ourselves freely and to tell our stories. I find your personal story inspiring, and I admire your drive to create the “Make Room for Stuttering” blog. You’re doing such great work, and the fact that you have recorded over 160 women’s stories is phenomenal. Did the women all reach out to you? How were you connected?

    The NSA and ISA seem like rock solid communities, overflowing with love and support and to witness everybody’s appreciation and pride for being a PWS is very special. So, for you to ponder the question in regard to “what would happen if I woke up one day and no longer were a PWS?” is fascinating! I like the idea of still being accepted into the community as a “recovered stutterer”, but it is interesting to think about how others would view your “recovery.” Would it be similar to AA and the bond that the members share? Would you still be fully accepted or would there be some animosity? I would hope not, as you would still be you, still have a big heart, a helping hand, and wisdom and encouragement to share. Although I am not a PWS, I look up to the tribe you speak of and wish all of our worlds could be filled with relationships made up of wonderful conversationalists who go deeper when communicating and who contribute empathy and intimacy to one another. Thank you again for your inspiring contribution to the ISA conference.
    Joanna

    • Hi Joanna – thanks for the very thoughtful comments. I am not sure if the stuttering community would accept a recovered stutterer the same as AA accepts recovering alcoholics. I only used that as an example of what I know. I have long been involved on the peripheral with AA and Al-Anon, with several family members that are in recovery.

      I’d like to think that the stuttering community would still have me if I woke up fluent tomorrow. Hopefully, if that were to happen, I’d still have the memories of stuttering as opposed to being fluent and never remembering what it was like to stutter.

      I have come to embrace my stutter and really can’t picture my life and my person without it. Stuttering has definitely shaped me into a kind, caring, patient being that enjoys intimate connections with other people. -Pam

  4. Hi Pamela,
    The stuttering community seems to be the place you go to socialize and connect to others. Do you think you have gotten so involved in the stuttering community due to necessity, to get help for yourself and speak with those who can identify with you? Or do you think that it is due to your social nature, and that if you grew up without a stutter you would be involved in another type of community?
    Thank you for your insight!

    • Hi Rachel – yes, I definitely think I gravitate to the stuttering community for socialization and connection. The bond that forms between people who stutter is special, because we “get it” and there is little to no bias. I did reach out to the community for self-help as well. I am so glad I did!

      I do think my personality is social and I would have found some tribe to belong to if I didn’t stutter. I think we all do that – we need to feel accepted and have a sense of belonging with some group with commonalities.

      Right now, I have been experimenting with a new community. I have been taking an improv class and hanging around people who really like to push themselves out of their comfort zone. I have enjoyed it immensely, because there is that commonality there. And my stuttering really hasn’t been a factor.

      -Pam

  5. Hey Pam,
    Thank you for talking about the stuttering community. I have met some adult clients that are hesitant about getting involved in the stuttering community. I’m looking forward to sharing your testimony with them to encourage them to get involved. There’s no doubt in my mind being part of a community is important, especially a community with so much kindness, patience, and intimacy.

    Thank you again for sharing!

    • Hi Leslie – I too have met other adults who stutter who are very reluctant to become involved in the stuttering community. One person alluded that being part of the stuttering community would then identify him as a person who stutters and he didn’t/doesn’t want that identity.

      For me, it’s been life changing, as you can see in what I’ve shared. Please do share my story with clients you have. Being part of a larger community greatly reduces isolation and shame, two things that I really battled growing up and in my young adulthood. As with many people who stutter, for so long I really thought I was the only one. -Pam

  6. It was a very nice article, Pam! As you know, I’m a person who has been stuttering for many decades.
    In the past I had achieved a great deal of (temporary) complete fluency as a result of intensive practice of Precision Fluency targets, so I’ve experienced periods of months without stuttering. These periods always ended eventually with relapses, as I just couldn’t make the fluency last on a long-term basis (though I always believed I would!).
    Today I no longer fluency targets, but simply accept myself calmly as a person who stutters, and I find that life is much less stressful and more enjoyable that way!

    I must have been cured about 50 different times, through fluency programs or refreshers. But I have experienced life many times with complete fluency lasting for weeks or months on end. During those periods I undoubtedly met many people who did not have any inkling that I was a person who had stuttered. I can say that life as an (apparently) fluent person is nice. But in retrospect I don’t look back on those periods as being any more positive than my current life.

    • Thanks Paul for reading and for the great comments. I loved where you said, “I must have been cured about 50 times.” 🙂 That’s the frustrating part of temporary fluency, huh? It just doesn’t last.

  7. Hi Pamela,

    First off, thank you for being so vulnerable and upfront. Second, thank you for all that you do for the stuttering community! You are passionately making a difference in other’s lives!
    I really enjoyed reading your article and thought that was such a deep and thought provoking question that your friend asked you. Embarrassingly, I have never truly considered the impact of the stuttering community that is formed and created by those who stutter. I found it interesting that you called it a ‘tribe’ at the end of the article. How did you learn about these different stuttering communities? Did you ever have a speech-language pathologist who helped encourage your involvement in these communities? Did you ever have any bad experiences with a speech-language therapist who didn’t understand your desire to be apart of the stuttering community?

    Thanks,
    Rachel

    • Hi Rachel – the first good speech therapist I had highly recommended that I get involved with the stuttering community, namely the NSA. He knew it would help me reduce my self consciousness and shame and that it would be great for me to meet lots of others who “get it.” He was so right!

      • Thank you so much for responding! I actually went and looked up the NSA website and didn’t realize how much information there was out there! When I become a practicing SLP I’ll have to remember to encourage them to look on their website and get involved if they desire. Thanks!

  8. Pam,

    Your words were quite inspirational! I was first intrigued by the title of your article because I am currently in graduate school pursuing a degree in Speech Pathology, and I imagine many of my future clients who stutter may have that same question creep into their head from time to time. I was expecting to find a post about the relief you would feel.
    I was happily surprised to find my assumptions were wrong. I love how you describe stuttering as such an integral experience in your life, and how losing your stutter would mean losing such a large part of your life; a portion that you truly value. I love that you are so involved in the community, and I would like to know what first drew you to being so open about your stutter/how you initially began getting involved in groups with other PWS? Were you always open about your stutter?

  9. Pam,

    Thank you for sharing your experiences and providing us with such a thought provoking question. I think it’s great that you were able to become so involved in the stuttering community and the amount of support that has brought to your life. I think that truly is an inspiration to people who stutter. I like how you highlight the positive aspects being a person who stutters has brought to your life and how it has made you a more empathetic person and allowed you to have deeper connections with others. I heard this from several other people who stutter during the NWCFD-IISC this past summer.

    • Hi Terra – no, I definitely wasn’t always open with my stutter. I was covert for more than 30 years. I was so afraid to let anyone know I stuttered because of negative reactions and the perception that I was stupid or emotionally imbalanced. Fear held me back for a very long time. Then a great SLP encouraged me to get involved with the NSA and the rest is history! I’ve been immersed in the community for 10 years and it has changed my life. Anyone who stutters needs to meet others that stutter. There is nothing like having a tribe that has your back. -Pam

  10. Hello Pam,

    Thank you for your insightful and optimistic article. It’s lovely to read an article that is so passionate about the positive aspects of stuttering. As a speech therapist-to-be the notion of the enormous benefits of finding and embracing ones “tribe” really resonates and it made me curious about something I’d like to ask you. Have you ever found that spending time with other people who stutter gives you benefits beyond the obvious mutual support and emotional well-being? For example do you find that your stutter actually improves when speaking to other PWS simply because the pressure to speak fluently is reduced and the expectations placed on you to produce fluent speech aren’t there in the same way as when talking to people to who don’t stutter?

    • Hi Caroline – thanks for the great questions. I think when around other people who stutter I actually stutter more! For the same reasons you note: there is no expectation to produce fluent speech and there is no time pressure. I think many people who stutter experience this and it’s not a bad thing. To me, I’m comfortable enough in the environment to allow my natural stuttering out with no constraints. Hope that makes sense!

  11. I really appreciate your perspective as a person who stutters. I am a second year SLP graduate student and I am grateful to hear your perspective as I start to work with my first clients who stutter. It’s good to know that you recognize good listening skills and empathy as positive traits that you’ve developed. I’m curious if you believe these traits are due to stuttering or simply had more of a chance to come out and develop because of stuttering. I just read another paper on the positive aspects of stuttering and wondered what your thoughts were.
    Thank you for sharing!

    • Hi Tali – I think I would have good listening skills and empathy anyway even if I didn’t stutter, because they seem to be part of my make-up. But dealing with stuttering has definitely intensified both of those traits for me. I read Chris’s paper on stuttering gain too, and could really relate to him as we seemed to be talking about some similar thoughts.

      I think stuttering has made me more cognizant of other differences and therefore has helped me developed a greater sense of empathy than I might have had without stuttering. -Pam

  12. Hi Pam,

    Thank you for your insights to these great questions. With all of your experience in the world of stuttering, you have spoken greatly on the actions that you would take if you no longer stuttered. What do you think about how the emotions would change if you were no longer a person who stuttered? You mentioned empathy, but is there any others that are involved.

    Thank you!
    Caitlin

    • Hi Caitlin – I don’t think I’d have the same intimate relationships that I do now if were not for stuttering. Even with someone who doesn’t stutter, when I talk with someone and let them in to my great vulnerability, we are in effect having an intimate encounter or relationship because of the need for longer eye contact and perhaps a longer hand shake, which greatly increases the intimacy of the encounter. I hope that makes sense. -Pam

  13. Hi Pamela,

    It really sounds like you are touching a lot of lives with the work you do. It’s wonderful to read about all the resources out there for people who stutter. I love the notion that “intimacy is part of the stuttering experience.” I think it’s a beautiful idea that people who stutter have been gifted with this ability to deeply connect with others. Like some of the other readers, I am a graduate student studying speech-language pathology and relatively new to the area of stuttering. I am curious as to how it felt the first time you met another person who stutters and made a connection with them. Was it through these communities you described here?

    • Hi Alexandra – I will never forget the first time I met another person who stutters. It was at a NSA chapter meeting back in 2006. When I first met Mary and realized there was another person my age who stuttered, and she was a woman also, I was completely overwhelmed with relief and joy to meet someone else who “got it” and “got me.” I remember crying as we met and talked and we hugged as well. When I went to the first NSA meeting and met several other adults who stuttered as well, I felt overwhelmed. I wanted to leave, and made movement as if that’s what I was going to do. I was ready to bolt, as it was just too overwhelming for me to be in a room with 5 or 6 other people who stutter. Mary somehow sensed what I was feeling and put a calming hand on my knee, to reassure me and steady me, and I stayed. I went to their next meeting and gradually became part of the community and the rest is history. -Pam

  14. Hi Pamela,
    I enjoyed reading your story and am so glad there are people who can speak about their stuttering in such a comfortable manner. I stuttered growing up and have since outgrown it, but am always interested in hearing other peoples’ stories and experiences. I have a question regarding speech therapy – have you received any services in your lifetime? If so, how have they impacted your current communication abilities or impressions on stuttering? If not, have you contemplated it or how did you decide against it?

    • Hi – speech therapy? I didn’t have any speech therapy until I came out of the covert closet back 10 years ago, in 2006. Once I decided I could not live trying to hide my stutter anymore, I was willing to do anything that would allow me to hang out with other people who stutter. I tried therapy at my local college because they had both an individual and group component. But I didn’t want to be fixed – I wanted to grow to embrace and accept my stuttering and wasn’t really interested in fluency shaping techniques, which was largely the therapeutic approach the college took at that time. I didn’t want to stutter less – I wanted to stutter more, as I’d been hiding it (or trying to hide it) for 30 years. I only did therapy for a little over 2 years because I realized that learning fluency techniques was just not what I wanted. Once I started meeting other people who stutter and began immersing myself into the community, that’s all the therapy I really needed. -Pam

  15. Hello Pamela,
    I thoroughly enjoyed reading your article and the topics you brought up. Your perspective is very beneficial to all, and I admire your pride and involvement in the stuttering community. Do you have any recommendations of how you would encourage this sense of pride, community, and involvement with someone who isn’t comfortable with their stuttering? I think it’s wonderful how the community is so tightly knit and focuses on the value of personal connections and identity. I would love to read more into your other writing and blogs. Thank you for sharing!
    Beth

    • Hi Beth – thanks for reading and for the comments and good question. My thought on encouraging someone not far into their stuttering journey to consider pride, community and involvement would be to take BABY STEPS. That’s what I did when I was first “coming out” as a person who stutters. I started by agreeing to meet with one person who stuttered and worked my way through becoming comfortable with that. Then I went to a NSA chapter meeting where there were about 5-6 people there who all stuttered. I remember wanting to leave, because I felt so overwhelmed, but the one person who I had met reassured me and encouraged me to stay. From there, I went to my first NSA conference, which was a huge leap of faith, but I had several people I had met at the NSA chapter there to help acclimate me to the larger community and to introduce me around.

      I definitely recommend baby steps, one of which could be listening to podcasts and hearing other stuttered voices tell stories that a person could relate to. I’d love if you checked out my blog and podcast. You can find them at http://www.stutterrockstar.com -Pam

  16. Hello Pamela!
    I am a SLP graduate student presently in a fluency course and wanted to thank you for your article. It was really helpful for someone who doesn’t know what it is like to stutter. It made me understand just a little bit more about what it means to you and how important it is that you have a community where you feel secure and loved. As a person experienced with stuttering and fluency, what would be something you would want a future speech therapist to know before attempting to encourage someone with a stutter who isn’t in the same place you are (acceptance-wise)?

    I look forward to your response.
    Elise

    • Hi Elise – I had to chuckle with how you asked your question. You prefaced it by saying as a person experienced with stuttering and fluency, what would be . . . ? I certainly am experienced with stuttering but not fluency. I haven’t been fluent since I was 3 or 4 years old. ?

      I think what I’d want a future SLP to know when working with someone early on their acceptance journey is there is no one right way. Everyone’s journey is completely individual and varies greatly. Some people never fully accept their stutter but somehow they manage to live with it. And the goal should be that stuttering can peacefully co-exist with the rest of the person’s life.

      That said, I’d also like to suggest that you remember to treat the whole person, not just the stuttering. Stuttering is something we do, amongst a whole bunch of other things we do. The person who stutters may be consumed with their stuttering but you can help them accept that it’s just one part of what makes them whole.

      I hope this makes sense.

      Pam

  17. This is a great concept to write about Pam. I’m sure we all have romanticized about waking up one day and the stutter is gone. I know I have and have also thought about what next? The stuttering community has a been a gift for me and I couldn’t imagine not being involved in some capacity. I suppose I would also continue to be involved and find a way to contribute in a different way. I also think about how my personal life would change and I’m not sure it would change that much. I think most PWS would be a little disappointed on what a post-stutter life would actually be like. The clouds would not part and rays of sunshine would pour down on our lives like so many might expect. But we can all dream that it might.

    • Hey Derek – thanks for reading and sharing your thoughts. I am so happy to see you participating in this year’s ISAD conference. -Pam

  18. What a great paper. I have often thought how can I be a great clinician and relate to PWS when I don’t stutter myself. As a graduate student I was given the assignment to pseudostutter for a day and write about my experiences. That is a great experience and one that family members and friends of PWS should try to get a glimpse into some of the overt and covert aspects of stuttering. I am glad that I learned about the resources and community support available for PWS so that I can help my clients become connected in that. The theme of taking pride in stuttering is really empowering. Instead of seeking it as something horrible that we are seeking to eradicate this conference has helped me frame stuttering as something that is part of and individual’s personality and experience.

    • I am so glad to see that you are taking away the real essence of stuttering pride, something that many people who stutter strongly identify with. You’re right – for many people stuttering is not something that needs eradication. It is something that we can live with and that can co-exist peacefully with us. My blog “Make Room For The Stuttering” sort of captures how I felt about stuttering 7 years ago when I started it. I didn’t want it to be eliminated, I simply was ready to make room for it in my life. I do take a certain amount of pride in having something that makes me unique and different. Two years ago I did a piece for this conference called “Be Memorable.” It was a video of me talking about all the ways I feel stuttering can actually be an asset. Not everyone is there on their journey to be able to make room for stuttering yet but I bet many are hopeful they will get there.

      As to your pondering if you’ll make a great clinician because you don’t stutter, one of the best SLPs I had didn’t stutter, so she truly couldn’t know the experience of stuttering but what made her great was that she established a therapeutic alliance, she saw me as more than just my stuttering and she was very skilled at counseling. She recognized that I wasn’t looking to become fluent but rather to be comfortable with who I was as a whole person, with stuttering a big part of my social identity. She allowed me to structure therapy as I needed it, according to what was relevant to my life instead of trying to make me fit into her class assignment. It made all the difference in the world. This was 8 years ago and we’re still in touch. -Pam

  19. Hi Pam,

    I am a SLP student, and as someone who is really just learning about and understanding stuttering for the first time, I found your story very heart-warming and encouraging. I know not everyone who stutters has the same confidence as you do- to go out and pursue their dreams and inspire others. I was wondering if there was a specific moment in your life that you attribute to instilling your confidence, or if just being a part of the stuttering community and motivating yourself to remain (what may have initially been) outside of your comfort zone helped you become the wonderful advocate you are today? Thanks, Brittany

    • Hi Brittany – thanks for the question. In addition to being quite involved with the stuttering community, I also joined Toastmasters (www.toastmasters.org) which is a public speaking organization. Members get to practice making prepared speeches in a supportive environment and get real, honest feedback. You also practice impromptu speaking which many people who stutter struggle with. My years with Toastmasters were so beneficial, for my confidence and willingness to take risks. Toastmasters also helps develop leadership skills. I earned the highest designation you can in Toastmasters, the DTM.

      I also just last week completed a beginners improv class. Talk about building confidence and taking risks. I disclosed that I stutter during the first class and everyone seemed really cool with it. I really loved it and had a great experience. We performed to a live audience last Thursday night. I am looking forward to taking the next level class.

      Both Toastmasters and improv are great for anyone wanting to expand their comfort zones, not just people who stutter. -Pam

  20. Hi Pam

    Thanks for a great article. You might remember we corresponded a little at last year’s ISAD on-line conference 🙂 I am just wondering what your response would be, if someone were to show you a way of being able to speak naturally fluently. If that were possible (and I believe it is),would you want to make whatever changes were necessary, however long it might take you, so that you could experience what life would be like as a “fluent speaker”? Or would you want to carry on as you are? Sorry if this is a hard question – I’m just curious 🙂

    Hazel

    • Hi Hazel – I do indeed remember our exchanges from last year’s conference. Thanks for reading my contribution for this year and asking this question. It is a very hard question. I think if there was a way for me to be fluent all of the time, I would like to experience it. But I’m not sure about the part of making whatever changes were necessary to accomplish that. These days, I don’t pay too much attention to how I speak. Meaning, I don’t use techniques or think about tools for fluency. I just talk and sometimes I stutter and sometimes I don’t. The naturally fluent periods are great, because my confidence feels increased and I also don’t feel any anxiety or shame when speaking. When I stutter, I do occasionally feel stress or anxiety, even shame, but these are usually just fleeting thoughts that pass quickly. Years ago, I would hold onto anxiety and shame for much longer and really obsess about it and allow it to make me feel miserable.

      So I’m not sure if I want to “work” at my speech now. I’m in my 50’s and like myself as is. I feel stuttering has shaped my life and the person I am. My stuttering is part of my identity and I’m not sure how I’d feel having part of my identity “peeled away.” I’m not sure I’d recognize myself, the me that I’ve been for over 50 years.

      I’m not interested in speech therapy. I tried that in my 40’s and found that I was really resistant because, I learned, I wasn’t really looking for fluency. I was looking for support on my journey to wards acceptance, which I began after I made the conscious choice to not be covert anymore.

      Pam

  21. Hello Pam,
    I am a second semester graduate student in Speech Pathology. I am currently taking my first class about stuttering. I found your paper to be so interesting and I never heard the perspective of a stutterer, so I really enjoyed this. The stuttering community you talked about reminds me of the deaf community I have also learned about in school. I have watched videos in school and I have noticed that some deaf people would not want to change the way they are because they feel part of a group in their deaf community. So, what you were saying definitely reminded me of that. But, as a graduate student, I am curious about what made you the strong and confident person you are today. Did you attend speech therapy and if so when? If you did, what part of the therapy do you think helped you the most?

    • Hi Julia – thanks for reading and for the comments. Good questions too. I attended speech therapy as an adult when in my early 40’s, for two years from 2007-2009. It was primarily fluency shaping therapy, which I quickly realized I didn’t want. I needed and wanted to become more comfortable and accepting of my stuttering, as I had been covert for quite many years before then. The part of therapy that helped me most was being allowed to focus on feelings and acceptance and working on the shame that had been eating away at me for years. One I tackled that, I felt my confidence grow in leaps and bounds.

      I also saw my confidence grow when I started attending the NSA stuttering conferences. I went to my first one in 2006 and haven’t missed once since, having attended 11 in a row. Meeting and interacting with other people that stutter has probably been the most important thing that has helped me grow and accept myself, warts and all. Now I feel I have a responsibility to help others in the same way I’ve been helped..

      And I agree with your assessment of the deaf community being similar to the stuttering community, or vice versa! That sense of belonging and pride is huge. I hope this response has been useful.

      Pam

      • Thank you so much for the great response! This will help me a lot when I start practicing as a Speech Pathologist!

  22. Hi Pamela! Thank you so much for sharing this interesting perspective about what it might be like to wake up and no longer stutter. As a student studying to become a speech language pathologist, I have had a small amount of experience working with children who stutter and they seemed to be unwilling to accept their stuttering. They seemed to only discuss their stuttering with others if they absolutely had to. I have a feeling this is because they mostly hung out with people who did not stutter and they didn’t want to be labeled as different. I think it might be interesting to ask people who do not stutter what it would feel like to wake up one day and stutter. Have you ever asked anyone who did not stutter this question? If so, how did they respond? Did they become more accepting of stuttering and encourage their friends who stutter to be themselves? If you have not, do you think this would be an activity that would be beneficial for people who do and do not stutter? Do you think this would help form community between the two populations? Thank you!

    Jessica

    • Hi Jessica – good questions. No, I’ve never asked a fluent person how they would feel if they woke up and suddenly stuttered. I have had someone who is fluent say to me that she wishes she stuttered like I do, then she’s get to meet such amazing people and travel all over the country like I ‘ve done because of my stuttering. That person happened to be one of my sisters. 🙂

      I do think this would be a beneficial activity for people who do and do not stutter. I think it would help people who don’t stutter to better appreciate our experience. -Pam

  23. Hi Pamela,
    Thank you for sharing some of your personal experience and feelings toward stuttering and the stuttering community. I am a second year SLP graduate student and am currently enrolled in my first fluency class. It is wonderful to hear about the empathy and support that exists in the stuttering community. I especially enjoyed the promotion of pride of that radiated from your paper. I know that many younger people who stutter struggle with their sense of self-worth. What advice would you give to SLPs and teachers of children who stutter?

    • Hi Stephanie – I think that SLPs and teachers should try to normalize stuttering as much as possible for kids who stutter. That includes talking about it in the context of other differences – having an accent, being deaf, using a wheelchair, wearing glasses, etc. I think when kids understand that stuttering is just another difference, one of many that we have in the world, it won’t seem quite so daunting.

      I also think exposing kids to some to some of the great books out there on stuttering would help invite dialogue and build confidence in talking about it. Some titles include: Tending To Grace, Paperboy, Stuttering Stan Takes A Stand, Hooray for Aiden. Google or search Amazon for more titles. -Pam

  24. You mentioned that you started a podcast for women who stutter. Do you feel that women who stutter have a drastically different experience in society than men who stutter? If yes, how so?

    Thanks!
    Kathleen

    • Hi Kathleen – I do think women have a different experience of stuttering than men do. Maybe not drastically, but definitely different. I think women tend to like to talk more about their feelings than men do – like to explore things like confidence or lack thereof, shame, fears, worries, embarrassing situations, etc. In my experience, men tend to be more concrete and solution oriented, looking for fluency. Women are also impacted by things that men don’t deal with – hormones, menstrual cycles which many women I’ve talked to affirm affects their stuttering. I’ve also had women share that parenting while stuttering is a concern – that they’ve been reluctant to read bedtime stories to their kids, for example. Women also tend to be more covert than men in my experience, and I see that as a big difference. Women have reported that society perceives stuttering differently – in men, it’s maybe a blip on the radar or even cute. With women, we tend to look emotional or nervous or incompetent, all things which have a negative connotation and which again cause women to try and hide their stuttering. Hope that answered your question. -Pam

  25. Hi Pam,

    I am a second year graduate student working towards my master’s in speech-language pathology. I truly enjoyed reading your article as it was very eye-opening and outline the importance of pride within a variety of settings. In your response to another reader, you stated that your “first ‘good’ speech therapist” highly recommended that you get involved with the stuttering community. Did the others not fully understand the pride you had in your stutter? When you met with a speech therapist, what were your expectations going in. I am currently taking a counseling course as well as an advanced fluency disorders course. The two seem to go hand-in-hand. You mentioned several attributes that I think would be important to have as a speech therapist. Are there anythings that you experienced within a therapy session or from a speech therapist that you hope others won’t have to?

  26. Hi Pam,

    What advice would you give to an adolescent who has had difficulty accepting his or her stutter?
    What has been the most rewarding part about serving on the Board of Directors of the NSA and ISA?

    Sincerely,
    Mary Lee

    • Hi Mary Lee – for an adolescent who stutters, I’d let them know it gets easier as they get older. If they go to college, college kids are generally much more accepting of differences than middle and high school students are. Also, as you get older, you stop caring so much what other people think. Once you shed that fear or worry about what other people think, you care less in turn about the stuttering.

      I’ve only been on the boards of the ISA/NSA since July, so am not too deeply involved yet. I am the Secretary for ISA, so I take all the minutes of meetings and also answer all inquiries on our website. I am also going to be working on an outreach committee. So I feel that I ‘m going to be in a position to make a difference globally and that is very rewarding to me. I am happy to be part of an organization that wants to help the world better understand stuttering.

      For the NSA, I am already working on a couple of initiatives that I think will have great impact for people who stutter. One involves increasing outreach to employers and providing more resources to workplaces. Another involves gaining inroads into the military to help military personnel who stutter. So far these have both been rewarding because I feel I can make a real difference in helping the NSA achieve it’s mission and increase their overall outreach. -Pam

  27. Hi Pam,
    Thank you for sharing your experiences as a person who stutters. It sounds like you are plugged into the stuttering community both in “real life” and via social media (with your podcast and blog, etc.) How has the rise of the internet and social media communities changed the stuttering community and individuals’ experience with stuttering?

    Thanks!
    Claire

    • Hi Claire – great question. I think the rise of the internet and social media has caused an explosion in the stuttering community. Aside from my blog and podcast, I am also a Stutter Social host where we have a virtual support group using Google Hangout technology to have a video chat with up to 10 people who stutter at a time. It’s a great way to get people together who don’t have a physical support group close by.

      And the number of Facebook groups about stuttering are too many to count. There are dozens with hundreds of members. I am an admin/moderator for the FB group “Stuttering Community” and there are over 5600 members. For many, its the only interaction they have with other people who stutter. For many, it’s safer to converse in writing than it is to converse in real time. Although many people in the Stuttering Community group do post videos of their stories and to introduce themselves.

      So yeah, the internet has certainly helped people find support.

      Pam

  28. Hi Pamela,
    I loved reading about how active you are in the stuttering community and how it has helped shape who you are as a person. As a future speech-language pathologist, do you have any suggestions on ways to get children who stutter involved in the stuttering community?

    Thank you,
    Heather

    • Hi Heather – there are two organizations I’ll point you to for children who stutter. First, check out the NSA, at http://www.westutter.org The NSA has kids and teens chapters for young people to connect to the stuttering community.
      And there is also FRIENDS, The National Association for Young People Who Stutter. Their link is http://www.friendswhostutter.org Both organizations offer kids a chance to connect with other kids who stutter and feel part of a larger community. I been to 11 NSA conferences and 5 FRIENDS conferences and have seen first hand how much the support means to kids (and their parents an families.) -Pam

  29. Hi Pam,

    While reading your article, I thought of the Deaf community and think there is a lot of similarities between the Deaf community and the stuttering community in the sense of belonging. Are you familiar with the Deaf community? If so, do you think it is similar or do you think the stuttering community is distinct from any other community?

    Thanks!
    Stephanie

    • Hi Stephanie – I am somewhat familiar with the deaf community and know they have a lot of pride and sense of belonging. I think the stuttering community is on the cusp of a pride movement – many individuals who stutter are indeed proud and don’t want to focus on getting fixed or have society focus on fixing them. I think the solidarity in both communities is similar and in fact, the stuttering community seems to be taking some pages from the Deaf community. Good parallels – thanks for bringing this up. -Pam

  30. Hi Pam,
    Thank you so much for sharing this paper. I really loved how you were straightforward about your stutter from the beginning of your paper and you owned your stutter. My interest was particularly piqued with your mention of your “Women Who Stutter: Our Stories.” I am a second year speech-language pathology graduate student who is working with a young woman who stutters. She appears to avoid a part of our therapy perhaps because she does not feel comfortable or confident yet. My professor has been working with her for some time, but my peer and I, who are involved in the particular part of the therapy that our client avoids, have been working with her for about 4-5 weeks. Do you have any suggestions? I know that, obviously, everyone has a unique story and different feelings, but did you find any general patterns in the women stories?

    • Hi Sarah – I have interviewed over 160 women for my series “Women Who Stutter: Our Stories.” I think one of the themes that has emerged is that many women have felt very isolated with their stuttering and felt that no one understood them. A good many women I have talked to have also tried to be covert with their stuttering – trying to hide it any way possible. Coming on to my show to share their story has been a huge deal for many of the women.

      What is the part of the therapy that she avoids?

      Pam

      • Hi Pam- She tends to avoid telephone conversations. At first I thought we were just having difficulty working out our schedules for a phone call and I’m sure that plays a part. But now I’m beginning to think she is avoiding these calls because she is perhaps avoiding her stutter or avoiding initiating conversation. This may tie into what you were saying about hiding her stutter.

  31. Hi Pam,

    I really enjoyed reading your article. I am currently in graduate school for speech-language pathology, and I am working with an adult who stutters. I would like to encourage him to become more active in the stuttering community. He just began therapy and does attend a group therapy session weekly, but I don’t think he has any friends who stutter that he can talk to outside of the therapy group. He has a very busy schedule, because he is also in graduate school.

    Do you have any advice on a good place for him to start in becoming more involved in the stuttering community?

    Thank you for sharing!

    Jess

    • Hi Jess – check the NSA website and see if there is a NSA chapter in your area. The site is http://www.westutter.org Going to a NSA chapter meeting with other people who stutter is a great way to start getting connected with the stuttering community. If there is not one in his area, then I suggest he check out Stutter Social at http://www.stuttersocial.com Stutter Social is a virtual support group where people from all over the world come together in a video chat room to talk about stuttering. There are 3 hangouts a week, so maybe one would work with his busy schedule. There is nothing like connecting with other people who stutter – it has made all the difference in my life.

      Pam

  32. Thank you so much Pam for sharing your personal experiences and perspective! I recently had the opportunity to work with a fluency therapy group at my graduate school and absolutely loved the experience. In fact, we watched many of your videos and read posts from your blog. The confidence you have has not only impacted the group members, but me as well! We are all unique in our own ways and should be proud of the things that set us apart. And there will always be people like you willing to stand up and remind everyone of their own importance! Thank you again for all that you do and all that you stand for!
    Yours,
    Lauren

    • Lauren – thanks so much for letting me know that you and your group watched a lot of my videos and read my blog. That makes my day! And also reminds me that I should add some new videos to the mix. -Pam

  33. Hi Pamela!
    Thank you for sharing such a raw and authentic interpretation of what the stuttering community means to you. Before your article, I was aware the stuttering community was strong and robust, but I never thought of it as a culture! As a graduate student in speech-language pathology, I value any opportunity to bring an individual’s culture into the therapy room (using culturally appropriate books, toys, and words). Never have I thought of doing this for my clients who stutter! Thank you for this enlightening perspective! I will have to share your story with others.

    Best,
    Maeva

    • Hi Maeva – please do share my story. Also, check out my blog “Make Room For The Stuttering” and my podcast “Women Who Stutter: Our Stories.” You can find them both at http://www.stutterrockstar.com and the podcast is also on iTunes.
      Thanks for reading the paper and good luck on your journey.
      -Pam

  34. Hi!

    I really enjoyed reading your article! Thank you for sharing your story! Do you think that only a person who stutters can understand the difficulty of stuttering, or would people who experience other communication disorders be able to empathize with stutterers as well?

    Thanks!

    • Hi – I think people with other communication disorders who experience not being able to say what they want to say when they want to could definitely relate and empathize with stuttering. I think this would apply to people who have had strokes and their speech is affected. They may very well know what they want to say but just can’t say it.
      It can be very frustrating when the words are there in your head and at that very moment, they’re not coming out.
      Good question – I hope this answers it! 🙂 -Pam

  35. Hi Pamela,

    Your piece was very inspiring and eye opening. I loved reading about your experience within the stuttering community and how it’s had such a powerful impact on your life. Although I don’t stutter, I’ve had nothing but positive experiences with the stuttering community and have seen the benefits it has had on my friends and clients as a graduate student SLP. You’re an amazing writer! Thank you for sharing!

    I hadn’t thought about gender roles and stuttering much before reading this comment. I see now how these can interact and influence each other. I found these instances of societal norms and how these can impact the covert aspects for women to be really eye-opening toward my understanding of stuttering. Thanks for providing these examples! I’m interested in checking out your podcast to learn more about this.

    Karissa

    • Hi Karissa – thanks for checking this out and leaving such a great comment. My podcast is fascinating, if I do say so myself. 164 women from all over the USA and 32 different countries telling stories that may never have been told if someone had not asked. I have learned a lot about how women think and feel about stuttering in my years doing this. Do check it out. “Women Who Stutter: Our Stories” on the blog at http://www.stutterrockstar.com and also freely available on iTunes. I’d love to hear your feedback on one of the episodes. -Pam

  36. Hi Pamela,

    Thank you for sharing your story! I loved learning about the stuttering community and your perspective on it. I was wondering when you first started getting involved within the stuttering community? If you did your own research or someone recommended or told you about it?

    Thank you!
    -Kristina

    • Hi Kristina – I first found the stuttering community 10 years ago after doing my own research. I had never before been interested in looking up stuttering on the internet so I was very surprised at the many different resources available. I was interested in meeting other people who stutter, so I was so happy to learn that the National Stuttering Association had a chapter practically in my backyard.

      I went to my first NSA chapter meeting in March of 2006 and my first NSA conference in June of 2006, and haven’t missed one since. I’ve been to 11 consecutive conferences, as well as 2 mini conferences the NSA has sponsored on the west coast.

      And I even visited London in 2010 and met people from the British Stammering Association and a woman who had not met a person who stuttered until she met me at the airport. It has all been such a great experience that I wouldn’t give up for anything. Being actively involved in the stuttering community has truly changed my life. -Pam

  37. Hi Pam!

    Your article was truly a pleasure to read. I love how involved you are within the community and how you are always looking for new opportunities to reach out to others. I am currently a second year graduate student in the speech-language pathology master’s program. In my practicum experience so far, I have not had the opportunity to work with individuals who stutter. Therefore, as a future speech-language pathologists, I am eager to learn more about stuttering. I admire your confidence, motivation and desire to connect with others. I was curious if you had any recommendations/advice to give new clients who coming to therapy for the first time? I want to establish a comfortable relationship with the individuals I work with and I want them to enjoy coming to therapy. What are some things that made you the strong person you are, and how can I encourage others to have this confidence?

    Thanks,

    Briana

    • Hi Briana – my confidence grew over the years since I “came out” about being a person who stutters after being covert and hiding it for over 30 years. When I met other people who stutter for the first time back in 2006, I finally felt hopeful for the first time. Meeting others helped me realize I wasn’t alone. I started attending stuttering self help support groups and then going to the NSA conferences. I started volunteering at NSA in my third year and haven’t looked back, after my 11th conference this summer. I think volunteering to help others who stutter was my real confidence booster. It was no longer just about me – I became part of something so much bigger.

      I also joined Toastmasters at around the same time that I joined the NSA and became actively involved in that as well. Toastmasters (TM) is a public speaking club that helps you build strong communication and leadership skills. I achieved the highest rank you can in TM, outpacing many people who don’t stutter that were in my club. My courage and confidence grew in leaps and bounds after TM.

      As for new clients coming into therapy, it’s important to have a clear goal as to what you want to work on. It doesn’t have to be fluency, which was my mistake when I first entered therapy. I was naïve and thought the SLP knew best as to what to do for me. But I was wrong about that – I knew best. I knew my stuttering and what I needed to work on. It was acceptance and embracing my whole self, not finding fluency. I wanted to find my own voice, as is, and shout it to the mountaintops. An individual should have an idea of what they want out of therapy before commencing therapy. It will make it a much better, meaningful experience for both client and SLP.

      Pam

  38. Hi Pam!

    I can’t say how much I appreciate you taking the time to share your story with us- it’s wonderful to see how you have embraced stuttering, and how your involvement in the stuttering community has opened up so many opportunities for you to connect with others around the world. As a first year SLP graduate student I loved hearing your perspective on being a person who stutters and member of the “tribe”. Your thought-provoking response to your friends question reveals just how important it is to be a part of a community that listens and welcomes you as you are. As a clinician-to-be, is there any specific advice you’re willing to share with me as far as establishing and maintaining trusting relationships with my future clients who stuttering? Thank you!

    Best wishes,
    Tess

    • Hi Tess – thanks for reading and for the question. If I had to give advice as to how to establish and maintain a trusting relationship with someone who stutters, I’d say in a nutshell to remember that the person is a whole person and that you just can’t treat the stuttering. Sometimes new clinicians go into the therapy room thinking they are going to help the client become fluent and that usually doesn’t happen. Ask the client what they want from therapy and work to set mutually agreed on goals.

      I learned a lot from my initial experiences with therapy from SLP grad students. In fact, I wrote a paper about if for the 2009 ISAD conference and most of the points I make are still true today. It’s called “Things I learned From Therapy” and you can find it here.

      http://www.mnsu.edu/comdis/isad12/papers/mertz122.html

      I hope you find this helpful.

      Pam

  39. Hello Pamela,
    I really enjoyed your article. As a person who is studying speech language pathology I have begun to ask myself how can I truly understand what it means to have a speech disorder when I myself do not have one. However, I do have a few questions for you. As a student I am curious about all things including stuttering. I am interested to learn about stuttering more than just how to help PWS achieve fluency and I would like to know what it means to be a person who stutters.
    – Forgive me if this is repetitive but what is your outlook on a PWS accepting that they stutter but also using controls to achieve fluency?
    -Do you believe that myself, as a future SLP and someone who is fluent, can gain enough understanding of what it means to be a PWS to help someone who wishes to achieve speech fluency?
    -How have you personally overcome the negative stigma that sometimes follows stuttering to become so successful and comfortable as a PWS, while others struggle with it?
    I know I am asking a lot, but any feedback you give me would be greatly appreciated.
    -Carissa

    • Hi Carissa – I’d definitely encourage you to read through some of the responses I’ve made to other students on this forum who have asked some similar questions. But I’ll do my best to answer your questions.

      Acceptance and working on improving speech are not mutually exclusive. I believe a person who stutters can do both at the same time. Accepting that we stutter but wanting to stutter more comfortably is a great goal to have in therapy. Both the client and the SLP need to know that is possible.
      I don’t really like the word “fluency.” I think that implies perfect speech and no one has that, including people who don’t stutter. I’m more of the belief that we should phrase it as working to improve speech. And it may not even be speech that needs improvement – it may be secondary behaviors that get in the way of efficient speech that a person wants to work on.

      I do think you can gain an understanding of stuttering, enough so to work effectively with people who stutter. One way of doing that is meeting with and interacting with as many people who stutter as you can. Go to NSA support meetings, get to know people who stutter. If there’s not one around you, consider joining a Stutter Social group video hangout. They are held three times a week and allow people who stutter from all over the US and the world come together to talk about stuttering issues. SLPs and students are always welcome. More info at: http://www.stuttersocial.com

      I think the way I’ve overcome the stigmas of stuttering is by putting myself out there and talking about stuttering to anyone who will listen. I host a blog that I started in 2009, a podcast for women who stutter that I started in 2010, I’ve done a lot of YouTube videos talking about stuttering and I am a Stutter Social host. I make presentations about stuttering once or twice a year to school children and teens and have spoken to many SLP grad classes. All of that builds up confidence. I have also been involved in Toastmasters for 8 years ( http://www.toastmasters.org )

      Finally, I just recently completed a beginners improv class. This was a huge risk for me and I pushed myself way out of my comfort zone, but I thoroughly enjoyed it. Improv is comedy with a partner and is unscripted, so you have to think on your feet and be in the moment and be willing to say whatever comes to your mind. We did a live performance in front of an audience two weeks ago and it was awesome. It’s definitely something that a person who stutters can do.

      What I’m saying is that putting myself out there and taking risks has helped me become comfortable in my skin and has helped me be willing to talk about stuttering to just about anyone. That would be my best advice – to take risks and feel the fear and do it anyway.

      Hope this helps. -Pam

  40. Hi Pam,
    I really enjoyed reading your story. I think that it is so cool that you found the National Stuttering Association and became a board member. You are very involved in the stuttering community and I admire that. I like that you want to spread awareness and inform people that may not know much about the stuttering community. I hope you continue to do so. I think it is a great thing that you would still want to be apart of the community even if your stutter went away.
    If you had to pick one sentence of encouragement to tell anyone who stutters, what would it be?
    Thank you,
    Nicole

    • Hi Nicole – one sentence of encouragement to tell anyone who stutters would be: “It’s OK to stutter.”

      Pam

  41. Pam,

    Thank you for your piece. I really enjoyed reading how stuttering helped shape you life and how you take on life’s challenges. As a future speech-language pathologist, I was curious if you, as a person who stutters, would find it odd for someone who doesn’t stutter (like an SLP) to participate in stuttering gatherings/conferences/etc. After reading many of these stories, I find that most people here find pride in their stutter, but I wondered if maybe it was frowned upon for a person who didn’t stutter to immerse themselves in the stuttering culture? I, too, found myself comparing this to the Deaf community. I know that those who identify as Deaf (with a capital D) see that as who they are as an individual. I wondered what your opinion might be after reading your post.

    Thank you!
    -Brittany

    • Hi Brittany – have you ever been to a NSA conference? If not, you should go. There are usually 500-600 people who stutter at these conferences, but also another couple hundred of people who don’t stutter – spouses, other family members and SLPs. A huge number of SLPs attend these events every year. To reconnect, network, and interact with people who stutter. Years ago, SLPs weren’t as welcomed at stuttering events as they are now. Today, speechies are welcomed with open arms. The only way to build bridges and reduce communication gaps is by having individuals who stutter and the speech professionals come together. I think it’s perfectly fine to immerse yourself in the stuttering culture, as long as its for the right reasons. If you’re just there to gather data and research, then that would be frowned on. But if you’re there because you have developed relationships and wish to continue to do so, then it’s a win-win for everyone.

      I think the only exception would be if SLPs came to NSA monthly chapter meetings and monopolized the meetings (which has happened.) I think the more intimate monthly support meetings should be reserved for pws first and if SLPs want to go, they should probably listen more and be sure to give the pws the support time they are there for.

      Hope this answers your questions. -Pam

  42. Hey Pamela!

    My name is Katie and I am currently studying communication science and disorders. We are on a chapter in the book about stuttering and reading your post makes me feel as if I were apart of your writing journey. As a non-stutterer, I am amazed at how you have handled your stuttering through the years and got involved with groups and organizations. I do want to ask, are there some days you wake up and not want to have conversations with other stutterers because of your stuttering?

    Thank you for an amazing read. I look forward to looking up a bunch of your journals and reading into them.

  43. Hi Pam, I want to thank you for sharing your story and also for being an outreach specialist in the schools! There must be so many little kiddos that look up to you. Also I want to congratulate you on all of your many accomplishments! Wow, you have done so much! Thank you for sharing your story, it was a very interesting read! As a first year graduate student studying to become an SLP and mostly interested in working with children, I believe that first-hand knowledge and experience is the most influential. So I would like to ask you what advice you would offer an SLP working with a child who stutters and is possibly struggling with his/her stutter? Thank you!

  44. Hi Pamela,
    I thought this was an extremely moving paper about your involvement in the stuttering community as well as your appreciation for the community. You spoke a lot about how open you are with your stuttering, but I know that there are a lot of people who try to hide their stutter. Was there ever a time that you were ashamed of or embarrassed by your stuttering? If so, how did you get through that time or what would you recommend to someone dealing with that same issue?

    • Hi Tristan – I spent 30+ years trying to hide my stuttering. I definitely wasn’t always as comfortable as I am now about my stuttering. I was filled with fear and shame as I grew up, because no one ever talked about and I thought there was something wrong me because of how I talked.

      I grew into adulthood staying quiet, choosing silence so that I could avoid stuttering. It was an unbearable time for me, because that was not my personality and my internal voice was begging to be heard externally.

      It took a “rock bottom” moment for me to finally begin to come to terms with my stuttering and I made a conscious choice that I wasn’t going to hide anymore. It was tearing me up inside. I was fired from a long term job due to my stuttering and that was the wake-up call I needed.

      After the shock of suddenly being unemployed began to subside, I did some research and found support – therapy, a self help support group and the larger NSA community. Taking baby steps the whole way, I gradually began allowing my natural stutter to come out and I worked at not suppressing it anymore. It was hard work – scary and painful too. But I kept at it, until one day I was able to stutter in front of others and no longer feel buckets of shame. From then, it became easier to just be myself and stutter openly and let my true self be seen.

      I did speech therapy for 2 years and saw a psychologist (who had experience with stuttering ) for several more years. It was all life changing and today I find myself immersed in the community and happily giving back.

      Pam

  45. Hello Pamela,

    This paper did an excellent job at showing how important a sense of community is to people. It is impressive to see how involved you have become in the stuttering community over the years. I think you have inspired many young people who stutter to strive and become as invested as you are. I really enjoyed your first initial thought to the question about if you woke up tomorrow and did not stutter. I think being involved in any sort of community is extremely important and it would be tough to leave. Thank you for your views on the importance of community!

    -Robert

  46. Pamela,

    I first want to say how incredibly inspiring you are. As a young women I greatly respect all of the accomplishments you have made thus far. I am a graduate student pursuing a master’s of science degree in speech-langauge pathology. I have worked with students who demonstrate a mild-to moderate dysfluency. I frequently think about how they express how stuttering makes their life “difficult” and simply wish their stutter would go away. However, after reading your post I find that your dysfluency helped mold you as a person. If you did not ever have a stutter do you still believe you would be the same driven woman that you are? And what additional advise do you have for a future SLP while working with a PWS?

    -Emilee

    • Hi Emilee – thank you for the kind comments. I don’t honestly what kind of person I would have become without the stutter. I’d like to think I’d be the same driven, energetic, passionate person I am and that something else would have helped me hone those traits. But I honestly think experiencing stuttering, and the years I kept quiet to when I finally found my voice, has indeed shaped me into the person I am and that I like.

      I remember once being asked if there was a pill to cure stuttering, would I take it. I answered no, and would still answer the same today. I am who I am because of the challenges I’ve faced and from all the times I’ve pushed past fear and did things anyway, despite how I might sound.

      Additional advice I have for future SLPs working with persons who stutter? I have given a lot of responses to that in many of the previous comments, but I think the single most important thing for a SLP to remember is that we are more than our stuttering. You have to work with the whole person, not just “treat” the stuttering. You have to be a good counselor as well as SLP – the tow go hand in hand.

      Pam

  47. Hi Pamela,

    First and foremost, congratulations on all of your accomplishments that you have achieved over the years! Truly something to be proud of! Second, I think it really takes a close friend to ask a thought-provoking question and I think your friend Lisa asked such an interesting one. I admire the pride you feel in calling the stuttering community you are so much a part of your “tribe”. Your paper really made me understand how much stuttering and being a part of the stuttering community contributes to an individual’s persona. I find it so interesting that you compared being a “recovered stutterer” to “recovered alcoholic”. I could not agree more with you that someone who has previously experienced a critical event or hardship can actively be a part of that community and furthermore serve a positive role. This really made me think of war veterans or cancer patients in remission. No matter if they are still experiencing the specific event that made them a part of their community, their unique perspective and journey will ultimately tie them to their “tribe” forever because it is likely something they will always embody, just as if you woke up one day and did not stutter. What a captivating paper to read, thank you for sharing!

  48. Hello Pam,

    What a thought-provoking article! Thank you for your thoughts. It is always so inspiring to me to read the perspectives of PWS. As a graduate student and not a PWS, I hope to continually learn about the stuttering community in order to advocate for and promote self-advocacy for my future fluency clients that I may work with as an SLP.

    I enjoyed your mention of Drew Lynch; I have previously seen that interview and his performance on America’s Got Talent. Very neat! Additionally, it never occurred to me before how much more intimate conversations between PWS are. I think that is a gift to be able to have such focused and “present” conversations with most everyone you interact with.

    I really enjoyed reading your article and your thoughts. You are an inspiration to many, including myself!

    Thank you again,
    Natalie Asay

  49. Hello Pamela,

    I want to start by saying thank you for how open and vulnerable you were in your article. I really enjoyed reading it and getting some insight about you as a person. Like so many others who have written and submitted articles to the international stuttering awareness conference I am amazed at how positive you are and how openly you speak. I am a true believer that there is a purpose for everything and I defiantly get that sense from you as well. It has taken me a long time to get to this perspective in my life and it wasn’t always an easy road. I was wondering what were some of your motivators to getting to this mindset? Were there people in your life who really pushed you and encouraged you? What made you decided to start writing about your experience? Did you ever receive speech services, and if so what is your favorite memory from that? I believe these questions are so important for a clinician to know, it is a tool that can be used to help others. Knowing how others encourage and motivate is a great starting place for providing a successful environment.

    Thank you so much for your beautiful story and your positive insight
    -Robin

    • Hi Robin – lots of good questions, thanks. Be sure to read previous responses from me to other questions and comments posted on here.

      The biggest motivator to get me to a mindset of openness and vulnerability was being fired from a long term job because of stuttering. That rocked my world, as you can imagine and jump started my desire to fully embrace who I am and show that person to the world. Previously, I had been consumed with guilt and shame about stuttering and tried (unsuccessfully for the most part) to hide it. Once I was fired and had to make some changes in my life, coming to terms with stuttering was the first thing I tackled. I researched and found speech therapy, self help, a psychologist and Toastmasters all pretty much at the same time. All of these things greatly influenced me to come out of the “stuttering closet” I had been in and truly embrace me for me, for the first time in my life.

      I started writing about my experiences because I wanted to journal/document my journey and figured a blog would be helpful to both me and others. I can’t believe I’ve been writing my blog for 7 years. Totally amazing that I still have things to say about stuttering after all this time. And it’s also amazing how consistent I’ve been with my writing style. I’ve just recently started submitting articles to The Mighty (www.themighty.com) This is a website that deals with disability and differences.

      Like I mentioned, I had speech therapy as an adult after getting fired in 2006. I think I stayed with therapy for about 2 and a half years. My favorite memory from therapy is working with a terrific SLP grad student for a semester who totally got stuttering and me, and allowed me to work on feelings, acceptance and authenticity rather than traditional fluency shaping techniques. It was a life changing experience for me. She and a I also worked together in an intensive weekend workshop for stuttering and spending 16 hours on just me and my goals and interests was mind blowing, as I never before had put myself first for anything.

      Good luck on your journey.

      Pam

  50. Hello Pam,
    Thank you for sharing such an insightful paper. As a first-year graduate student and future practicing clinician, your paper has allowed me to expand my perspective in regards to stuttering. I had never really considered all the positive aspects that accompany stuttering, but your explanation was enlightening and truly reflects the theme of this year’s conference. I was also drawn in by your explanation of how “intimacy is a part of the stuttering experience”. I am excited to apply what you have shared within my school work and during my clinical practicum. Congratulations on all your achievements, you are truly an inspiration.
    Jaynie