Gina WaggottAbout the Author:
Gina Waggott is a writer, editor, disability advocate and former TV professional. She is writing the authorized biography of the stuttering jazz/pop artist ‘Scatman’ John Larkin, to be published in 2026.

Gina is a covert stutterer who has been an active member of the stuttering community for 25 years. She is currently Vice Chair of Stamily, a diverse worldwide network for people who stutter and their allies.”

Stuttering can be incredibly isolating. As a child of the 90s, before the internet, social media, and many supportive organizations that exist today, it was easy to feel you were the only person who spoke like “this.” I know because it happened to me.

What I’m about to share is a remarkable story about how the power of listening changed my life. How one man—a pop star, of all people—took the time to truly hear me. It sounds strange, almost unbelievable, but it’s true.

I was 14 in 1995. If you stutter, imagine yourself at that age. Feel good about yourself? “Once bitten, twice shy,” and I was ripped to shreds. I was a redhead, a geek, and had braces—tough enough when trying to get words out. Add a bully-magnet surname and a love for books and computers, and you’ve got a depressed, shy, isolated young girl on your hands.

That girl is listening to the car radio one morning when this insane noise jabbering “scabadabadiddlydobabopbop” suddenly blurts out. A dance beat kicked in, and the voice began to sing:

“Everybody stutters one way or the other, so check out my message to you,
As a matter of fact, don’t let nothin’ hold you back,
If the Scatman can do it, so can you. . . “

Did this guy just mention stuttering? I stared at the car speaker. “Dad,” I said, “turn this up.” He did, happy that I was enjoying the music. That day would have been my mother’s 40th birthday, if she hadn’t died of cancer four years before. Dad had turned on the radio that morning in an attempt to lift the heavy mood as he drove me to my grandmother’s.

Nearly thirty years later, I can still tell you the exact stretch of road we were on when I heard that song. It left an emotional residue so powerful I couldn’t shake it.

Later that day, I saw the music video. A balding older guy in a suit was singing those unmistakable lines through a bushy mustache. My grandma asked why I was staring at the TV instead of eating my sandwich.

The program said “Scatman” was a lifelong stutterer who had overcome the fear and shame behind it by becoming “Scatman John.” He did it through his music—a mix of jazz, pop, and techno, which I instantly loved. This man, I decided, was really something. I had to learn more about him. Goodbye, socially acceptable music taste; hello, role model.

Liking Scatman John wasn’t considered cool —not with Oasis, Blur, and Nirvana in the charts. But I knew John had something important to say. His lyrics spoke of triumph over adversity, facing problems in a chaotic world, being friends with yourself. What others dismissed, I knew was sincere and drew strength from.

In 1997 we got the internet at home. I found a directory of users on the same network. One name made me stare: “John Larkin” (Scatman’s real name), in California. Occupation: Jazz.

Could it really be him? I thought it might be a fake account, but I took a chance and wrote to the address. Everything poured out—struggles with stuttering, fears, shame, isolation—and I told John his music inspired me. I sent it, expecting it to be a hoax, or if it was him, that he’d never reply.

How wrong could I be? 

“Hello Gina,

Your mail deserves quality time with a quality answer. I would love to give you both; however, I don’t have either right now. I am off to Frankfurt. I will answer your mail soon when things calm down…

I will get back to you…

Love to you…John”

I was astounded. Why would a pop star take time to help me? Later, John said he had a gut feeling I was “important.” I no longer have the first letter I sent him, but I think he sensed the cry for help it really was. Three years earlier, I had attempted suicide, and the ideation had returned. Whether I said it outright or not, John felt it.

Well, boy, did he get back to me. The next day, I spoke to John. The conversation was intense, and I told him things I’d never told anyone before. I trusted him. He listened without judgment and reassured me I was no longer alone. 

John asked if I was a member of the British Stammering Association (BSA), now called Stamma. I said no, thinking I’d be rejected because of my reasonable fluency as a covert stutterer. 

John insisted I attend a stuttering conference and pestered me until I gave in. Off I went, a bag of nerves, armed only with John’s notes he wrote for me to read on the train to keep me from turning back:

“Congratulations. You are a miracle. You have moved into recovery and are taking action for yourself. You are a brave human being. I hope you are taking time to give yourself a pat on the back. You are confronting some of the worst fears in your life. You will have a wonderful time at the convention. Again… YOU ARE A MIRACLE… DON’T FORGET THAT… SAY IT TO YOURSELF.”

I’m a miracle… yeah right… I’m scared.

Disaster struck. I didn’t make it to the convention because of train problems. I came home feeling sorry for myself, and found my email clogged with John’s messages. The last one said “Welcome back! I know you had a great time!” I unplugged the phone in case he tried to call—I couldn’t bear to explain that I hadn’t gone. Stupid me, because when I explained to John the next day, he immediately brought me back up again:

“The compliment of giving yourself a pat on the back applies immediately!!!!!!! You are looking at your stuttering straight in the eye. You are confronting it. That is what matters. You are in the process of ‘owning your stuttering’ instead of ‘stuttering owning you’…You are moving out of being a victim of stuttering.

Your genuine attempt to get to the convention is every bit as meaningful as getting to the convention itself.

You are into recovery now. You are doing this for yourself and no one else. You are taking charge of your life’s direction…this is the bravest thing that a human being can do. You know in your heart that you did your best… the best is all you can do.

STAY IN TOUCH WITH ME…this stuttering business is a little too big to handle by yourself.

You can do it for yourself…but not by yourself… I would ask God to bless you, but He already has.

Keep in touch, Gina…John”

I felt much better and even began to find the situation funny. I tried again to attend a BSA meeting, and I had to get a 4:30am train. John told me that wasn’t so bad—it meant I could watch the sunrise. I reminded him this was England, and he joked that I could watch a “fog-rise” instead. That small joke made me get up and go. This time, John sent only a short note:

“DON’T LET THE LAST TIME STOP YOU – IF YOU DON’T MAKE IT THIS TIME I’LL GO CRAZY AND COME GET YOU MYSELF.”

Good thing I got there. It was fantastic. I opened the door of the meeting hall to find fifty or so voices talking and laughing—and everyone was stuttering. I was overwhelmed. John explained what I would find: “You will feel like you are home for the first time in your life. The love may even shock you, but let yourself embrace it.” I did and had a great time. I returned home and told John. He went nuts, telling me how proud he was and how much he loved me for making that step. He launched me into ‘recovery,’ and since then, I’ve never looked back.

John remained in my life for the next few years as a friend and confidante, a hero and role model. I had more ups and downs—being fired from a job because of stuttering, career worries, family conflicts, spirituality, inferiority, depression. . . he listened to it all.

John made me comfortable with my stuttering and who I am. Stuttering has never been pleasant, but it didn’t stop John—and now, I’m not letting it stop me.

But then came the day when the sledgehammer that was pounding my life into shape stopped swinging.

In 1999, John and I were having one of our telephone conversations where we’d talk for ages about anything and everything. Suddenly he turned and started telling me he thought his life was “falling into a black hole,” and that he had to tell me, before it was too late, that I was special, a darling, his soul-daughter, and thanked me for coming into his life. My suspicions and fear became a reality. Just over a month later, I was told that John was dying of terminal cancer.

I was in my first week of university – and I made the decision straight away to use all my university money to fly to Los Angeles to see him. 

Judy, John’s wife, was wonderful and made me feel okay about being there at such a tough time. I owe her so much for her kindness and patience. I don’t think John knew I was coming, because I remember walking in the door, both of us catching sight of each other at the same time, me taken aback because John looked so different from when I had last seen him, and him astounded because I was supposed to be in a lecture theatre nearly six thousand miles away, not standing in front of him.

He responded to me better than I hoped. He was slipping and had stopped recognising people. But as soon as I walked in he said “Oh my God, it’s you, it’s you!” He had me sit next to him on his bed and we began to talk. I told him about my decision to come, and between the bouts of pain he kept having, he got hold of both my hands and said “Well, I love you, honey.”

I managed to tell him I loved him too, and thanked him over and over before I started fighting tears. At one point he turned around and told everyone in the room – “This girl loves me one hundred thousand percent for saving her stuttering life!” – and he was right.

I was there for four days, each day spent at John’s side. The best conversation we had was when neither of us said a word. Thinking John was asleep, I patted his hand. Without any warning he turned his over and grabbed mine, squeezed it, and wouldn’t let go. We sat like that for a long time. When he did let go, he started to cry. He told me he wished I could stay, but I had to leave. When I did, I cried so hard in the taxi that the driver didn’t charge me. I was heartbroken, knowing I would never see John again.

John died peacefully on the 3rd of December 1999.

Three years of his direction, friendship and support gave me a design for life that will never fade. Although I miss John terribly, in a way, he’s still around. I see young kids hearing his music for the first time and for them, the message is as inspiring as it was for me nearly thirty years ago. As role models go, I couldn’t have asked for anyone better than this remarkable and special man. He listened, and he saved my life. 

Every kid should have a John Larkin. I hope you find yours.

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Every Kid Should Have A John Larkin – Gina Waggott — 36 Comments

  1. I loved this story so much. They usually say “don’t meet your heroes” but this is one of those stories that show you that “pop stars” can be just like us and have a heart of gold.

    I’m so happy that you found him when you did, that he reciprocated the love, and that now you will be carrying his voice forward to new generations, both with this post and your upcoming book.

    Thanks!

    • Hi David, thank you for reading this and for your kind words. Yes, it’s strange to be coming full circle all these years later, but I hope his message can live on and help people all over again! Thanks again for your comment. Gina.

  2. What a beautiful piece, and beautiful vulnerability. I look forward to reading your work!

    • Thank you Heather… you’ll be the first to know when it’s done! 😉 Thanks for the kind words, they really motivate me to carry on writing…

  3. Very touching, Gina, and a beautiful reminder of the power of a genuine listener and encourager. I love that you’re writing his biography. All the best!

    • Thank you Ana – yes, the power of being listened to by someone who truly understands. It’s what, as a community, I hope we can all do for each other. Thanks again for the kind words. Gina

  4. Wow, what a story! And what a wonderful person John was. I am happy you wrote that very first letter, Gina. If every kid could have a John Larkin the world would be a better place.

    • Thank you very much Gijs! Absolutely, the world would be great if every kid felt someone was not just listening, but truly hearing what they had to say, stuttering or not!

  5. Oh my goodness, Gina! I was so moved by your story, which is so vivid and hopeful! I am always surprised and delighted by the support others provide in the stuttering community. I am sending this paper to every teen, adult and parent I work with because I think it is so important to listen to your story. Really, in the end…you have already started to be a “John Larkin” to many. Thank you!!

    • Thank you, Rita, that’s very kind of you to share the article! Yes, I think the support that people who stutter can give each other is invaluable and I’m always delighted when people ‘pay it forward’ as I try to do. Thanks again for reading!

  6. Hi Gina,

    I am so touched by this story. Your courage and vulnerability to share such personal stuff is deeply inspiring.

    I agree – every kid should have a John Larkin in their life. As a kid/teen, had I met even one adult who stuttered, I firmly believe my life would have different. I wouldn’t have dove into and stayed in the covert closet for so long and I would have developed better self care and friend making skills. I missed out on all the opportunities I wanted because I was so afraid all the time of being rejected.

    Thank you for telling this story.

    • Hi Pam,

      Thank you… for the longest time I was unsure about sharing the fact I was suicidal in my teens, but like stuttering, the stigma is reducing and will only continue to do so if more people talk about it… and more people listen.

      I know you can relate to the isolation of covert stuttering, too – which is why it’s so wonderful to see how involved you are with the community today. We’ll never be able to change our pasts and the missed opportunities, but we can give others hope for the future.

      Thanks again
      Gina

  7. Hi Gina,
    This is such a beautiful story. I cried all the way through the end. Maybe because I didn’t have someone like John Larkin and I wish I did.
    Thank you for sharing!
    Vesna

    • Hi Vesna, thank you for your kind words and for sharing your feelings openly. I was very lucky to have John, and I think the best thing we can do is to try and be ‘that’ person for others. Wishing you all the best. Gina

  8. Hi Gina! Wow! This is such a beautiful story! Thank you for sharing! You are so blessed to have had such a special role model, friend, and mentor in your life. He has made quite an impact on your life, and I am certain you are carrying that with you to impact the lives of others as well. I hope every person can find their John Larkin!

    • HI Cassidy, thank you! Yes, I feel very lucky to have had John in my life. I hope every person can find someone like that too, as a way of continuing his legacy. Thank you again for the kind words.

  9. Dear Gina, It was an honor to read your article. Thank you so much for sharing this touching and moving story. I think every person who stutters should read this article. It shows how hard life can be when you are young and stuttering and feel like you’re the only one. It must be so nice to have a person in your life that really gets you, who understands you unconditionally. People should have much more empathy, the world would be a better place if we could focus sometimes more on listening rather than talking. Thank you for being here.

    • Thank you very much. Yes, I wish the world was more empathetic towards stuttering and its impact on the young. We’ve come a long way since the 90s though, and that makes me happy. Still a long way to go, and I agree that if we listen more than talk, we’ll be on the right track! Thank you again for your comment.

  10. Gina, I really enjoyed reading your story thank you for sharing it! Reading about the support system you had through John and discussing the highs and lows was moving! In your story you mentioned attending your first Stamma meeting. How did that first meeting impact you and did you view stuttering differently?

    • Hi, thanks for reading and for the question. I still remember that first meeting vividly – to walk into a room and hear multiple stuttering voices. I was totally overwhelmed, as you might imagine, because I’d never heard anyone else stutter besides John. It opened the door to showing me that you can have a happy, social and successful life, not despite your stutter, but because of it. That’s why the support system is so important. Thanks again for reading!

  11. Hi Gina! Thank you for posting this story! It truly was so powerful. I was recently working with a young kiddo who stutters and while talking to him and asking him questions, he told me that he had no idea that there were “famous people” who stutter. Finding these support systems truly are so important and I am so glad John was able to do this for you! Was there anyone else in the stuttering community that you found to look up to? If you could connect with a younger child who stutters know what is the best advice or words of wisdom you would tell them?

    • Hi Chloe, thanks for the kind words! Yes, it’s super important for kids to have role models who continue to stutter, rather than the common ‘overcoming’ narrative. Once I joined the community I found many more people I looked up to. When talking to children today, I would tell them what John always told me – that you’re OK just the way you are 🙂 Thanks again for the comment. Gina.

  12. Hi Gina- Thank you for sharing this wonderful story about your friendship with the awesome Scatman John Larkin. Yes, it was a isolated and lonely time for we who stutter before the internet. I was moved to tears reading your account of your difficult early years, and how helpful Scatman’s love and support was for you. What a valuable gift he gave you, of self-acceptance as a person and with your stutter. I had the gift of meeting John one time, it was a memorable experience that had a lasting positive effect on me. I wish you all the best in your work.

    • Hi Jeff, thank you very much for your touching comment. John was that kind of man – once met, never forgotten! I’m very happy he’s continued to have a good lasting positive effect on you, too. Thnks again Jeff. Gina.

  13. Hi Gina! This was such a heartfelt story for me read and I am glad that I came across your story! Your story did a great job explaining the impact that listening and compassion can have on someone’s life, especially for those navigating the challenges of stuttering. The connections showed how one person’s willingness to truly hear and support another can create a lifeline in moments of isolation. It’s a testament to the importance of role models and the lasting effects they can have on our journeys. Gina’s journey from feeling alone and misunderstood to finding hope and empowerment through John’s encouragement is a powerful reminder that we all need someone to believe in us. This message of connection and resilience is so important, and it highlights how every individual can make a difference in someone else’s life simply by being present and listening. Thank you!

    • Thank you for the comment, yes, listening can make more of a difference than we realise at first. Which is why it’s good to pass it on!

  14. Hi Gina! Thank you for sharing your impactful and meaningful story! It is incredible that you found someone who left such a lasting effect on your life and who was someone you could trust, rely on, and relate to at such a young age. The relationship that you and John built is a blessing, and I am glad you had such a great support system. Have you had the opportunity to take on a similar mentor-role with young people who stutter that John took with you as a teen?

    • Hi Melanie, thanks for the kind comment. Good question – yes, when I was still an (older) teenager I used to write articles and guidance for younger teens. I really should do more of that now I’m older. I was also involved, for a long time, in organising youth meetings for people who stutter. So it’s a great feeling to be able to ‘give back’. Thanks again.

  15. Hi Gina! We are speech therapy students at the University of Silesia in Poland and we had the pleasure of reading your article. We were delighted with your story and the message it carries. We agree that every child should have their own John Larkin, because anyone who stutters, deserves to have a valuable person by their side who will support, understand, listen and give hope. We are glad that you found someone like that, who showed you completely different possibilities, listened carefully to you and accepted who you are.

    Thanks for reading!

    • Hi Elzbieta and the other Polish SLPs! Thanks very much for reading. I should say that therapists can also be the perfect role model, too – and are in a fantastic position to be a positive influence. All the best to you all with your studies and thank you for the kind comments.

  16. Hey Sis

    Like you, I’m so happy John came into my life with his wisdom, his friendship and his music. And thanks to him we met. <3 I'm so happy he's back in the media, so that people learn about him, read about his amazing personality, his friendship, his support to the stuttering community, and listen to his lyrics. As I didn't really liked his Scatman song, until I was told to listen. And I listened. To all his lyrics. I was in awe... Even my then young daughter sang his songs everywhere we went. I'd make him president any day. We planned to jam in Denmark, but he never made it. Thanks to you he'll revive.

    Keep talking

    Anita

    • Thank you, sis 🙂 I hope 2025/6 gives us a “Scatman renaissance” where people can once again celebrate a worldwide celebrity who stuttered openly and sometimes very often, on all types of media and showed that indeed, we shouldn’t let anything hold us back! Of course he gave me the huge gift of your friendship, too!….. the other scatsis

  17. Dear Gina,

    This is one of the most beautiful things I have ever read. My eyes welled with tears more than once throughout this story. I am so incredibly happy that you and John found each other. I am also a child of the 90s and have a vivid memory of the first time I heard Scatman John’s song as well. It took my breath away; the beat, the rapid outpouring of notes and words, the energy, everything. I did not know he was a person who stutters until I read your story.

    I am so sorry that you had a rough time as a child. People can be very cruel about things they do not understand. John was an angel to you in a time of need. How amazing that you moved into recovery and took action, like he said.

    Thank you so much for sharing this beautiful story, Gina.

    All the Best,
    Julia Engel

    • Thank you Julia for such a heartfelt comment. I’m glad the story touched you. Yes, many people have heard of John but have little idea who he really was, so I aim to change that. As another child of the 90s you will recognise how hard things were, and I hope you too are also taking a different direction that is available to us today. Best wishes and thanks again, Gina

  18. Gina,

    What a powerful story! What an incredible blessing to have had such a wonderful role model in your life to have given you support during such an important time in your life. I believe people come into our lives for a specific reason and feel when you heard Scatman John’s song for the first time in the car was meant to be. Have you ever wondered how things would be different if you had not heard the song in that car that day?

    I have been lucky enough in my life to have had a very special person to help support me as Scotsman had for you. When thinking about my experience, it is a type of friendship and a type of respect that is hard for me to put into words; it is more of a feeling. You did such a beautiful job painting the picture of your story. This is an incredible reminder of the importance of advocating and spreading awareness for any cause, especially stuttering!

    Hannah Z.

    • Hi Hannah, thanks so much for the comment. Great question too, I have often wondered what might have happened if I hadn’t heard John that day. I suspect things may not have gone well in my life, but I will never know. I’m so glad that you, too, have had a supportive person in your life. It really highlights how important it is. Thank you for sharing. Gina